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  • saddle_au
    Waste Warrior
    • Jan 2013
    • 121
    • Australia

    #21
    Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

    High voltages, resistors and such - its going to hurt someone sooner than later.

    I cringe everytime I see those 8 pin switches (7 with a missing pin) with such minimal gaps between the legs. Sometimes on the same P/S boards where the manufacturer has put cuts in the board to help separate the legs of mosfets dealing with the same voltages. I know the gap at the mosfet end is close as well, but the pot material seems very stable, I reckon a fair number are killed by the dust that catches between the legs.

    Lately I have seen far more boards now with mosfets using sleeved legs to stop dust arc overs destroying them.

    Many 2009 -2011 fluro tube LG 42 and 47inch LCDs used black and clear sleeving to help separate the high voltage drive cables from the metal work. The clear seems fine, but almost all of the black sleeving around here is disintegrating leaving what looks like 1kv low frequency cables dealing with 1500v high frequency drive voltages, many which pass through the back and run along the fluro side metal. We have a chocolate called flake here and that's what it looks like as it breaks up.

    LG 42 inch LCDs with the big hole in the front (scarlet red, forget the model) had no clearance from the bottom of the power supply and the metal case, pins from the transformers slowly ate their way through the plastic protection material (speaker vibration) causing the P/S board to burn.

    Resistors have four ratings to worry about with high voltages. First is the power rating, which for high impedance voltage measurements shouldn't be an issue. Second is the internal wire to wire separation gap either side of the resistant filler with the pot material coating. Third is the pin to pin gap for arc breakdowns on the board itself (including point corners on the pad, electrons love jumping off points). And finally, the resistance of the pot material to hang onto moisture and dust particles on the outside causing corona issues and flashovers.

    I'd be suggesting all resistors dealing with more than 100v should be broken into resistor strings for peace of mind. I used to do design work in the HV/HC industry.

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    • neilc6
      Badcaps Legend
      • Nov 2015
      • 1550
      • Canada

      #22
      Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

      Originally posted by neilc6
      I have a Samsung LN40C530 (LN40C530F1FXZC) with reported flickering that I couldn't reproduce after a couple of hours on. Power supply is BN44-00417A. Voltage on the big filter caps is around 360VDC. 1.5M ohm resistors RP802, RP805, RP807, and RP810 have the same designators on this board. I believe they are 1206 size (1/4 watt) so I'll order them and see if the voltage goes up. RP819 measures about 40.3K in circuit which could also be pushing the voltage down.

      Replaced RP802, RP805, RP807, and RP810 with 0805 1% 1.5M ohm and filter cap voltage measured at 395V DC. The old and new resistors both measured approx 1.2M in circuit and 1.5M out of circuit so an ohmmeter won't detect this problem. Just replace the resistors.

      0805's are 1/8W (125mW) and 150V max. In this circuit, power dissipation with approx 100V drop across each resistor is 7mW

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      • dskall
        Badcaps Legend
        • Oct 2016
        • 2905
        • usa

        #23
        Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

        So did boosting your voltage fix the problem?
        I assume no responsibility for any stupid suggestions I might post.

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        • neilc6
          Badcaps Legend
          • Nov 2015
          • 1550
          • Canada

          #24
          Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

          I never could replicate the flickering at 360V but I'm confident the higher voltage should prevent any future occurrence.

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          • theabyss
            New Member
            • Apr 2023
            • 3
            • canada

            #25
            Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

            I know this is quite an old thread, But I have the same board in a samsung. This tv here is acting different. No flicker, everything comes on and works great for +- 15 minutes then only the back light shuts off. Cycle power, and it works good again for between 4 and 10 minutes. I assume something is over heating, so i ran a large fan over the PSU and still same thing. Works for a bit then only backlight shuts off with normal operation after power cycle. The large filter caps are solid 396 volts, all other caps tested good on a cap checker. The CFLS from what i can tell all seem to be bright and happy (as seen through the various holes in the back, yes i know not a great way to see the cfls) Does anyone know of a thermal cut out or thermistor on these boards (BN44-00417A) As well might anyone have a schematic for this board?

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            • nomoresonys
              Badcaps Legend
              • Jan 2013
              • 12141
              • U.S.

              #26
              Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

              Maybe test the transformers on the inverter board/s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh01ZepjDp0

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              • theabyss
                New Member
                • Apr 2023
                • 3
                • canada

                #27
                Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

                I owe you a coffee, watched that vid, bypassed a transformer, working TV. Just so happens the TV in the video is the exact model tv i was working on.

                As the old saying goes, if you dont use it you lose it. Used to work in electronics repair in oil field, but 20 years ago

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                • nomoresonys
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 12141
                  • U.S.

                  #28
                  Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

                  Glad to hear it, yes I knew that was the same model, 12 volt vids is a Master fixer.

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                  • nomoresonys
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 12141
                    • U.S.

                    #29
                    Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

                    Did you have any trouble figuring out which transformer to bypass?
                    Last edited by nomoresonys; 04-10-2023, 09:48 AM.

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                    • theabyss
                      New Member
                      • Apr 2023
                      • 3
                      • canada

                      #30
                      Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

                      not too much, checked the sense lines on the transformers, the one in question was much higher than the rest. there is another one that looks suspect but not high enough to trigger the diode. Best part is this tv was on the side of the road about 5 houses down, and i live way in the county so thats about 2.5 miles. So free tv is good for me.

                      I used to be in the oil field as electronics repair, but after 4 kids, a new path, and 20 years of not practising the craft often enough, one tends to forget way too much. That video brought so many memories back, I'm gonna pull out 6 monitors I had stashed away for a rainy day.

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                      • nomoresonys
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 12141
                        • U.S.

                        #31
                        Re: Samsung ln46c630, bn44-00341b, j852

                        Had a samsung LN model from 2007, only had to replace a mainboard, good tv with very good picture imo, was used every day til January this year, samsung sure made them better back then, than the crap they're churning out now. I know what you mean, I'm so bad I can't remember what I learned last week.
                        Last edited by nomoresonys; 04-10-2023, 05:41 PM.

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