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    Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

    I helped a friend of mine build a nice new computer a couple months ago. It's got an AMD A10-7850K, 8GB DDR3 1866, a nice Gigabyte mainboard which i can't remember much about other than i recommended it to him and it's got plenty of overclocking options, and a 1TB HDD. Basically a good all-round computer.

    He decided to keep his old PSU for a while because "it was only used for a few months in the old system". One of those "Delux" PSUs with the green label. Mediocre at best, motherboard killers at worst... The fan was already sounding bad even though there was hardly any dust in it. We even did some overclocking and it held up, but i wasn't putting my hopes up.

    I lent him my old hard drive for a while until he bought the 1TB drive. When he bought that, i suggested that it might not be a good idea to leave that much data at the mercy of that pile of turd, since he intends on working on that computer (Autocad, 3ds max and Photoshop). When he showed me some of the units he was looking at, i proposed that instead of him spending $20-$25 on another PSU that will still be a piece of crap, he'd be better off paying me that to upgrade his current PSU to better parts. And here we go.

    The PSU looked like this: No input filtering other than two little Y caps, 470uF main filter caps, 13007 main switchers, EI-33 transformer. The secondary was absolutely pathetic. 20A schottky diodes for 5v and 3.3v, and a *gasp* 12A fast recovery on 12v. Capacitors were all Asia'x, 1000u + 470u on each rail, and only 3.3v had a (sad looking) pi coil, others were simply jumpered. Also interesting to note is that this PSU does not have a 3.3v sense wire. The circuit for it is still there, they just couldn't be bothered drawing one more wire. To compensate for that, the 3.3v rail sits a bit high at 3.42v with no load.

    5v and 3.3v each got a 30A schottky, and 12v got 2x 20A schottky in parallel. I had to hack the PCB a little to fit the second 12v rectifier, but nothing major. I also found a larger heatsink of the same shape for the secondary and used that to install the new secondary parts.

    All pi coils were installed and the output filter toroid for 5v and 12v was replaced with something more appropriate. Interesting to note is that i checked the two toroids with my LC meter and they registered the same values. Of course, the larger one will have more current carrying capacity before it saturates. The coil i installed used to have a -5v winding as well - i have unwound that before installing it.

    The primary side was left alone, other than the addition of an input filter coil. I only have a few 13009s left and i would rather keep them for more profitable projects. Capacitors were basically a grab bag, it was what i had around. A mix of Panny FL, Sanyo WG and an odd "Seacon". I had to drill some extra holes to get them all to fit.

    5vsb got two 1500uF 6.3v Sanyo WG. 3.3v got one 3300uF 6.3v Sanyo WG and two 820uF 6.3v Panasonic FL after the pi coil, 5v got one 3300uF 6.3v Sanyo WG and that Seacon 2200uF 10v (had that cap lying around since forever, can't remember what it came out of), and 12v got 2x 1000uF 16v Panasonic FL and another 1000uF 16v Panasonic FL after the pi coil, and one of the Asia'x 1000uF 16v caps originally on the 12v rail got moved on the -12v rail.

    All those motherboard-grade caps in there did make the PSU whine under certain loads, so i had to do a couple slight changes to the feedback circuit. YMMV.

    To finish, two more SATA+molex chains were added and the fan was replaced with a Yate Loon 2800rpm one. I also installed a temperature control circuit so it doesn't spin full blast if it doesn't have to. The ugly black thing with two blue wires coming out of it in the last pic is a thermistor wrapped in a lot of heatshrink.

    And that's how i turned a pile of turd into something that is actually recognizable as a PSU. It may be even 80-plus worthy.
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    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
    Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
    A working TV? How boring!

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    Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

    You certainly gave that a unique touch.

    When you say input filter coil, you're talking about that choke, right? What do chokes do exactly? Do they sit between the rectifier and the input caps or before them entirely?

    Great job. By the way, junky fans can be made to run very well with a good re-greasing. The only thing that I don't like is when the fan has no rubber plug on the hole, because then the dust gets in.

    But if the stickers loses its adhesiveness, I just use some rubber cement I got from the dollar store. It's also good for re-applying rubber feet to routers or modems if they fall off.
    "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

    -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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      #3
      Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

      What can I say?

      Now, it's a "Super Delux."
      "pokemon go... to hell!"

      EOL it...
      Originally posted by shango066
      All style and no substance.
      Originally posted by smashstuff30
      guilty,guilty,guilty,guilty!
      guilty of being cheap-made!

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        #4
        Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

        Good job on that Delux!

        Might upgrade the rectifiers on my Delux since it's powering a Athlon 64 x2 and it quite gets hot. Mine's a Linkworld inside btw. Also,I installed a Delta fan in the place of the old one.(Ruilian Science)
        Main rig:
        Gigabyte B75M-D3H
        Core i5-3470 3.60GHz
        Gigabyte Geforce GTX650 1GB GDDR5
        16GB DDR3-1600
        Samsung SH-224AB DVD-RW
        FSP Bluestorm II 500W (recapped)
        120GB ADATA + 2x Seagate Barracuda ES.2 ST31000340NS 1TB
        Delux MG760 case

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          #5
          Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

          Originally posted by mockingbird View Post
          When you say input filter coil, you're talking about that choke, right? What do chokes do exactly? Do they sit between the rectifier and the input caps or before them entirely?
          It is called a "common mode choke", it sits in the AC input, before the rectifiers. Both line and neutral pass thru it. You can check out its operation in detail here. File is also attached in case it moves somewhere.

          Originally posted by mockingbird View Post
          Great job. By the way, junky fans can be made to run very well with a good re-greasing. The only thing that I don't like is when the fan has no rubber plug on the hole, because then the dust gets in.
          We had oiled the fan before. I still didn't like how it sounded. I usually use silicone grease, but we didn't have any on hand at that time. Maybe i will try the grease and see if it gets better.
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          Last edited by Th3_uN1Qu3; 06-29-2015, 04:49 AM.
          Originally posted by PeteS in CA
          Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
          A working TV? How boring!

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            #6
            Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

            Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
            ..., and one of the Asia'x 1000uF 16v caps originally on the 12v rail got moved on the -12v rail...
            I would kick this one out of the PSU, Asia´X Caps are made by Fuhiyyu.

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              #7
              Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

              It's the -12v rail which is unused nowadays. Could care less even if it bloats. It's not in a hot spot either so it will be fine.

              Friend said he installed it back in his computer today. He told me he thought at first that the fan wasn't running. After a few hours of gaming he says it sped up a bit but the air coming out is just barely warm. This is running the 7850K at 4.4GHz full time, turbo disabled.

              So i declare this one a success.
              Originally posted by PeteS in CA
              Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
              A working TV? How boring!

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                #8
                Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                Wow, awesome job! That must have been fun to work on.

                the output filter toroid for 5v and 12v was replaced with something more appropriate.
                NICE! was the -5V winding the only difference between the two?

                With the higher efficiency, you could probably get quite a bit more out of those 13007s and 33 transformer.

                Where's the temperature control circuit? What method did you use?

                Did you change out that 27Ω(?) resistor on the 5V so it doesn't cook the Seacon cap?

                So i declare this one a success.
                Yeah I'd say it was definitely a success

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                  #9
                  Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                  Yes, For the temperature control circuit i just used what was silkscreened on the PCB in the first place. A 1 amp NPN transistor, a thermistor and a resistor.

                  I did not change or move any minimum load resistors, couldn't be bothered.

                  Btw, there is one deliberate mistake that i have left in the pictures. Anyone noticed it until now? It has been changed before i put everything back together. Hint: diodes.
                  Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                  Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                  A working TV? How boring!

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                    #10
                    Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                    The 45V reverse voltage spec is too low for the +12V output of the half bridge topology? Regarding the two MBR2045CTs, I mean. That would be my guess.
                    Last edited by Wester547; 07-02-2015, 01:34 PM.

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                      #11
                      Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                      Exactly. I did actually test it like that and one of the MBR2045s failed short after a few hours. They were replaced with one 20100 and one 3060 in parallel. With 50A worth of diodes, this isn't gonna have 12v capacity problems, ever.
                      Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                      Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                      A working TV? How boring!

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                        #12
                        Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                        As far as I can recall, the different voltage drop characteristics of the two rectifiers can possibly cause thermal runaway (if not that, derate the current capability) since they're in parallel. But with good cooling and heatsinking, you could keep that under control.
                        Last edited by Wester547; 07-02-2015, 06:22 PM.

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                          #13
                          Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                          Your Delux power supply looks like some I-Micro power supplies I recently worked on. They also required some "unique" improvements. Would you say that Delux and I-Micro are the same in Romania? I have never seen a Delux brand in USA.
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                            #14
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                            For all we know, i reckon they may as well be the same OEM

                            But then again, who can know how many Chinese factories churn out tons & tons of these cheapos based on that same "archetypal" design?
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                              #15
                              Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                              Good job!

                              Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
                              Exactly. I did actually test it like that and one of the MBR2045s failed short after a few hours. They were replaced with one 20100 and one 3060 in parallel. With 50A worth of diodes, this isn't gonna have 12v capacity problems, ever.
                              I thought something seemed odd there! :P
                              Did it blow the switching transistors when it shorted?

                              Originally posted by mockingbird View Post
                              You certainly gave that a unique touch.
                              Originally posted by kaboom View Post
                              What can I say?

                              Now, it's a "Super Delux."
                              LOL You guys are too funny! xD

                              -Ben
                              Muh-soggy-knee

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                                #16
                                Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                                Originally posted by ben7 View Post
                                Did it blow the switching transistors when it shorted?
                                No. It actually has working overpower protection, however far-fetched that might sound.
                                Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                                Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                                A working TV? How boring!

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                                  #17
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                                  Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
                                  No. It actually has working overpower protection, however far-fetched that might sound.
                                  Wonder what happens if you put some 13009s in it.

                                  At least my Deer came with 13009s.
                                  Main rig:
                                  Gigabyte B75M-D3H
                                  Core i5-3470 3.60GHz
                                  Gigabyte Geforce GTX650 1GB GDDR5
                                  16GB DDR3-1600
                                  Samsung SH-224AB DVD-RW
                                  FSP Bluestorm II 500W (recapped)
                                  120GB ADATA + 2x Seagate Barracuda ES.2 ST31000340NS 1TB
                                  Delux MG760 case

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                                    With that much beef on the secondary, 13007s will suffice for the job.

                                    I have pulled 650W continuous at 40C ambient from a pair of 13009s, with efficiency of ~84% (over 90% at 350W). It's all in the output rectifiers.
                                    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                                    Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                                    A working TV? How boring!

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                                      Heh. I just did one exactly like this today.

                                      Some of the stuff I have done for now (it's still WIP) :
                                      ERL-35 transformer from a dead Kaisen
                                      Complete input filter
                                      PI coils
                                      Yate Loon fan (the old one was partially seized)


                                      To be done:
                                      Balance the amperage of each rails for 12v-heavy operation (16A for 3.3 and 5v rails and a BIG load of amps for 12v? 30A for 12v sounds like a good thing. (though 20A isn't bad either)
                                      FULL RECAP (including primary)
                                      13009 transistors (I have a pair of them,gotta test them though - might consider TT2194s as well)
                                      Newer case with 120mm (hope I can get one of those uber-crappy 460W LPK19-30 PSUs) fan - probably going to use a Raidmax LED fan for it.

                                      Connectors: 1x 24 pin ATX detachable,2x SATA,2x Molex,1x Floppy,1x ATX12V P4.
                                      Main rig:
                                      Gigabyte B75M-D3H
                                      Core i5-3470 3.60GHz
                                      Gigabyte Geforce GTX650 1GB GDDR5
                                      16GB DDR3-1600
                                      Samsung SH-224AB DVD-RW
                                      FSP Bluestorm II 500W (recapped)
                                      120GB ADATA + 2x Seagate Barracuda ES.2 ST31000340NS 1TB
                                      Delux MG760 case

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Delux ATX-450W extreme upgrade

                                        These generic PSUs are relatively easy to "upgrade". Fit a center tapped EI/ERL core 39 or 44 size main transformer, 15Amp main switchers to experiment with the circuit's limits.

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