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  • Andreasbest
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    • Aug 2014
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    • Hellas ( Greece )

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    Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

    Hello!
    Today i got a completely and absolutely dead Dell E6540 with burnt FDS6679AZ (PQ4) which i replaced it with a AO4407A.
    Now the charger indicates a shortcircuit somewhere and cuts off when i plug it on laptop so i need your help to find it.
    I attach photos of the motherboard (before replacement of PQ4) and diagram (PQ4 circuit is on page 60)
    Thank you in advace!
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    Last edited by Andreasbest; 05-18-2021, 08:50 AM.
  • RJARRRPCGP
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    Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

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    • Andreasbest
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      • Aug 2014
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      #3
      Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

      It's liquid from the fried mosfet, cleaned up by now.
      Still searching for the short-circuit.

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      • Sametbey
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        • Jan 2021
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        #4
        Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

        Short circuit appears on the + 19V line. You should scan for short circuits by disengaging jumpers such as PL504 and PJP600.
        I'm not happy to be so strong. because it's not humanly

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        • mielta
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          • Apr 2015
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          #5
          Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

          hi
          is the short before or after PQ4

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          • Andreasbest
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            • Aug 2014
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            #6
            Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

            Originally posted by mielta
            hi
            is the short before or after PQ4
            Hi. It's after PQ4, when the burned mosfet was still on board the charger didn't cut off.

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            • Andreasbest
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              Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

              Originally posted by Sametbey
              Short circuit appears on the + 19V line. You should scan for short circuits by disengaging jumpers such as PL504 and PJP600.
              Hi. I'll be on the bench in a while, i'll check the jumpers and let you know.

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              • Andreasbest
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                • Aug 2014
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                #8
                Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                Originally posted by Sametbey
                Short circuit appears on the + 19V line. You should scan for short circuits by disengaging jumpers such as PL504 and PJP600.
                PL504 is not present in motherboard
                PJP600 removed but shortcircuit occurred again
                Last edited by Andreasbest; 05-19-2021, 06:58 AM.

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                • mielta
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                  • Apr 2015
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                  #9
                  Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                  remove the CPU and apply voltage to the shunt resistor using a laboratory power supply.
                  And check witch component was heated I think that is an bad capacitor

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                  • mielta
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                    • Apr 2015
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                    #10
                    Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                    the colleague means all PWR_SRC relevant jumpers
                    e.g. PJP 200/300/700 and PL700

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                    • Andreasbest
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                      • Aug 2014
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                      #11
                      Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                      Originally posted by mielta
                      remove the CPU and apply voltage to the shunt resistor using a laboratory power supply.
                      And check witch component was heated I think that is an bad capacitor
                      I was thinking on doing that too, what do you mean "shunt resistor"?

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                      • mon2
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                        Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                        https://eepower.com/resistor-guide/r...unt-resistor/#

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                        • Andreasbest
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                          #13
                          Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                          I applied 19V with 1A limiter but i see no heat in any component.
                          Shall i raise the limit?

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                          • mielta
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                            Pr701

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                            • mielta
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                              #15
                              Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                              yes 2A

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                              • mielta
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                                #16
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                                Have you an thermal cam ?

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                                • mielta
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                                  Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                                  With some devices, the temperature difference is small

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                                  • Sametbey
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                                    • Jan 2021
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                                    Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                                    I guess don't inject voltage from the PR701 (bypassing the input mosfets). If there is a short circuit after PR701, problems may occur in other chips. As I mentioned in the previous article, examine the + 19V line by separating the coils and jumpers. How much current was drawn when you gave 19v.
                                    I'm not happy to be so strong. because it's not humanly

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                                    • Andreasbest
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                                      • Aug 2014
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                                      I tried with 2A and nothing happened either, so i desolder PR701 to isolate the left upper left part of the mb and that resulted in burned PU800.
                                      Seems like the mb has more than 1 shortcircuits, i'll probably waste it.

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                                      • Andreasbest
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                                        • Aug 2014
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Dell E6540 shortcircuit. Cuts off charger.

                                        Originally posted by Sametbey
                                        I guess don't inject voltage from the PR701 (bypassing the input mosfets). If there is a short circuit after PR701, problems may occur in other chips. As I mentioned in the previous article, examine the + 19V line by separating the coils and jumpers. How much current was drawn when you gave 19v.
                                        9V only

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