Has anyone had any sucess with HHO as a fuel source?

[eccerr0r]

Re: Has anyone had any sucess with HHO as a fuel source?

BTW, food for thought that seems to contradict what I have said, but actually does not:

Some top fuel drag racers use something called "water injection" in which they inject, yes, water, into their engines while racing. It indeed helps the engine create more power. Why?

[stj]

Re: Has anyone had any sucess with HHO as a fuel source?

it cools the cylinders and increases compression as it turns to steam - some nos users run it.
(cooling the cylinders reduces missfires)

it's even better in diesel engines!

[eccerr0r]

Re: Has anyone had any sucess with HHO as a fuel source?

It indeed helps cool the intake charge, that's its sole purpose, so that you can feed more air and fuel without having to further increase intake pressure and risk detonation during compression...

... not because it burning. It sure gets hot in the cylinder during the power stroke but absolutely no energy is gained from the addition of water - it's all due to the additional fuel and air that was fed in.

[capwizard]

Re: Has anyone had any sucess with HHO as a fuel source?

H2O. Hydrogen(flammable)... Hydrogen(flammable)... Oxygen(flammable).

If you spray a small, fine mist of water onto a very, very hot (red hot, like 2500-3000F) heating element, it will ignite. You can also spray a very hot camp fire with a small dose of water and watch it ignite.

It's quite flammable in the right circumstances...
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shotthruthemb's theory is right. H2O, water (so called on earth) is a wonderful fuel source... But we are in wrong places and spaces. you have to be in the universe or inside the sun, H2O...water... mix, integrate and combine with nuclear fusion energy to use. In other words, we humans must have nuclear fusion car first then HHO energy car.

For me It’s easier to make a H bomb than use HHO fuel source economy .

It's quite flammable in the right circumstances.....Yes...in the sun...



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References

Do HHO systems actually work?
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/hho-system1.htm


In 2007, the U.S. Department of Transportation issued a final report outlining the use of hydrogen fuel in commercial vehicles. The report stated the use of hydrogen injection systems, essentially an HHO system, could be used to increase mileage and reduce emissions in commercial diesel vehicles.

The report was embraced by fringe energy theorists as justification of years of hard work. It was also embraced by the clean and renewable energy crowd as a battlefield win in the war to used hydrogen -- one of the most plentiful elements in the universe -- as a viable future fuel source.

So, Brown and Verne were correct -- to a point.

Using electrolysis to create Brown's Gas does work. Most systems use a stack of steel plates that act as positive and negative poles for electricity from the car's alternator. The current, with the help of a salt (potassium hydroxide), rips apart the molecular bonds that hold a water molecule together. The gas is pulled into the intake manifold by the engine vacuum. The gas is either used to increase the quality of the fuel burn, increase mileage and reduce emissions, or replace a portion of the fuel.

Physicists, and physical laws, point out it takes more energy to create the gas. In other words, the system's output is less than its input. Critics also urge interested parties to look at how much gas it takes to power a car, as opposed to how much oxyhydrogen is necessary to replace an equivalent amount of fuel. More importantly, a car's alternator can't produce the current to generate that much HHO.

Despite the controversy, HHO systems are fascinating -- they represent a potential, and they're a great source of inspiration for tinkerers, dreamers and people who like to build quirky and off-beat technology.

Do they work? Probably not, but then again -- maybe you'll see a Sasquatch driving a water-powered Pinto someday.

[eccerr0r]

Re: Has anyone had any sucess with HHO as a fuel source?

The only possibility is if the vehicle was used to generate this stuff during dead time, i.e. during deceleration or when engine is running but not accelerating. Then a little bit could be made for faster acceleration. But overall it is an energy loss, not to mention the added weight of the apparatus so more energy is lost to friction.

Ultimately people have to fight against the laws of thermodynamics/entropy when dealing with this kind of stuff. People thinking about using aluminum or sodium chunks to generate hydrogen from water when reducing aluminum and sodium costs more energy than reducing hydrogen directly from water (granted carrying/filling up with aluminum/sodium chunks is easier than generating/storing hydrogen on the fly so there's still some merit in this method.)

All up to experimenters, if someone can find a way to beat the laws of thermodynamics and thus able to build a real perpetual motion machine I'd really be interested. But I'm not holding my breath, laws of thermodynamics have yet to be broken in a closed system.

Remember the three laws of thermodynamics (remember, closed system):
- You can't win.
- You can't break even.
- You can't quit the game.