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  • ratdude747
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    • Nov 2008
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    Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

    As mentioned in my Black Friday thread, I recently bought an RCA Cambrio W101 V2 tablet at Walmart for $129 on Thanksgiving.

    This post will be my review of the tablet and also a place for questions and answers (please keep it technical, leave any moral/ethical complaints for the other thread).

    I bought it as a replacement for my economically dead Insignia Flex tablet, which I was impressed by up until it cracked a digitizer, which was not economical to replace (a chinese seller has a monopoly and would not honor listed prices).

    The good:

    -X86 tablet with windows, not android (read: can run real programs, not just apps; not a giant smart phone).
    -Includes a dockable keyboard with touchpad
    -Keyboard is made for windows with the proper keys
    -Has a full size USB port (which is advertised as USB 2.0 but actually USB 3.0 )
    -Has a decent screen resolution (1280x800)
    -32GB of storage on board; reasonably fast
    -2GB Ram
    -The UEFI menu has a LOT of settings.

    The Meh/Weird
    -Has a large reset button on the back. Not easily pressed, probably handy (better than the last tablet's paperclip hole reset), but still weird
    -Came with a 2A Barrel charger, but also has a micro USB charging port. Odd to have both... (see below)
    -UEFI menu is sideways (not a "bad" due to it not being used often)
    -Average Intel Bay Trail Atom quad core CPU (normally run at 1.33 GHz)
    -RCA does have a driver pack for download. However, it is somewhat limited to the "hard to find" drivers (none of the intel ones provided) and oddly has a "macosx" folder (this ain't no hackintosh!).
    -OEM is AVC, if that means anything

    The bad/annoying

    -The micro USB port is advertised as a "micro USB port", yet is only good for Data. Granted, the full USB port wasn't advertised as being 3.0 either, but as prevalent as micro USB OTG flash drives are, and with a separate charge port provided, I'd think it wouldn't be THAT hard to implement the port as a data port, since many tablets have such already.
    -The lid doesn't automatically blank/wake the screen
    -The SD slot is finicky and requires manual scanning for new hardware to detect inserted SD cards (Windows 10 glitch?)
    -The build quality is kinda crappy... not as good as the Insigina Flex (which had a magnesium frame and glass digizer; this is all plastic). The guts inside are OK though.
    -The side button is a windows "start" button, not the usual screen rotation enable/disable button. The latter would have been useful; the former IMHO is a waste of a button.
    -The twin 2MP cameras are very noisy, like an early 2000's webcam. I've seen better from entry level bay trail tablets.


    Thoughts on Windows 10, as opposed to Windows 8.1 with Bing (what this model originally sold with):

    -Windows 10 is much harder and tedious to tame. Apps (many are unnecessary duplicates of old still-existent win32 accessories) require manual deleting of folders to prevent-re-installs (and to actually free up the space), which in turn requires the "take ownership" registry hack.
    -Metro apps open in windows, not just fullscreen w/o mods (such as modernmix).
    -Start menu is OK, but still inferior to windows 7 (fixed with classic shell)
    -10 is more compact on file space, given manual app deletes.

    Given the choice (and with modernmix already bought and paid for), I give the win to 8.1; it's quirks were for the most part easily modded away. 10, not so much (although it is usable once modded). I may see if the embedded key works for 8.1 with Bing as these tablets were originally sold with 8.1 (and possibly later upgraded and re-boxed?)... but if 10 is what I'm stuck with, so be it, it's still usable for what I want (a more compact/portable laptop alternative).
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  • ratdude747
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    Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

    Updates:

    -I forgot to mention... it has a largish mono speaker as oppsed to my other tablet's smaller stereo speakers.

    -Windows 10 updated and did the following:
    • Removed CPU-Z as "incompatible with this version"
    • Re-installed all the garbage apps I deleted every trace of
    • Re-locked the windows apps folder
    • nuked the "take ownership" registry mod


    I will be rolling it back to windows 8.1... even if I have to force-feed it the 8.1 code off the other tablet. WTF microsoft... you had the balls to proclaim during the update that "All of [my] files are exactly where [I] left them"... BULLSHIT. Liars. If linux on baytrail wasn't so bleeping difficult I'd arch this thing up... but been there, tried that, no bueno.
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    • Spork Schivago
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      #3
      Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

      Originally posted by ratdude747
      ...If linux on baytrail wasn't so bleeping difficult I'd arch this thing up... but been there, tried that, no bueno.
      A quick google search implies that bay trail (the tablet's model # maybe?) can run Fedlet (a Fedora Remix) and Ubuntu. Maybe more options opened up since you last checked? What exactly is the difficulty you run into running Linux on it? Just lack of apps or lack of hardware support?
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      • stj
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        • Dec 2009
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        #4
        Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

        if the latest kernel has the drivers then it's just a lack of willpower.

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        • ratdude747
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          #5
          Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

          Originally posted by Spork Schivago
          A quick google search implies that bay trail (the tablet's model # maybe?) can run Fedlet (a Fedora Remix) and Ubuntu. Maybe more options opened up since you last checked? What exactly is the difficulty you run into running Linux on it? Just lack of apps or lack of hardware support?
          The latter, obviously.

          I tried it a month or two ago on a similar unit (8" Insignia, same CPU).

          The final nail in the coffin was the fact that it is built like a smart phone; many devices are I2C and SDIO, which results in a lot of sketchy drivers. The wifi was a bear and iffy at best; the BT driver for the same chip I couldn't get to work (I was using the unofficial Larry Finger drivers, all I could find). And that was using a custom kernel from the AUR.

          Fedlet didn't even get that far, no working wifi even. Also very out of date (based on Fedora's beefy miracle).

          Heck, getting it to boot was a pain at first thanks to the oddball 32 bit EFI. The fix was to build arch from another system, which allowed proper GRUB configuration for the mixmatched system (64 bit OS, 32 bit EFI). Hence, one couldn't use a live image; I had to make an install from an existing install twice. I do happen to have the flash drive from that sitting, if I ever had the urge to try it again.

          Another issue is poor touchscreen integration in Gnome 3.x (my preferred GUI). While that is less of an issue since I now have a dockable keyboard/touchpad, it is still a major hurdle to deal with.

          Now, on my laptops (and desktops for that matter) I LOVE linux (arch especially, and debian on servers). But it has aways to go on bay trail like systems to really be practical. Kinda disappointing to be honest.
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          • Spork Schivago
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            Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

            Originally posted by ratdude747
            The latter, obviously.

            I tried it a month or two ago on a similar unit (8" Insignia, same CPU).

            The final nail in the coffin was the fact that it is built like a smart phone; many devices are I2C and SDIO, which results in a lot of sketchy drivers. The wifi was a bear and iffy at best; the BT driver for the same chip I couldn't get to work (I was using the unofficial Larry Finger drivers, all I could find). And that was using a custom kernel from the AUR.

            Fedlet didn't even get that far, no working wifi even. Also very out of date (based on Fedora's beefy miracle).

            Heck, getting it to boot was a pain at first thanks to the oddball 32 bit EFI. The fix was to build arch from another system, which allowed proper GRUB configuration for the mixmatched system (64 bit OS, 32 bit EFI). Hence, one couldn't use a live image; I had to make an install from an existing install twice. I do happen to have the flash drive from that sitting, if I ever had the urge to try it again.

            Another issue is poor touchscreen integration in Gnome 3.x (my preferred GUI). While that is less of an issue since I now have a dockable keyboard/touchpad, it is still a major hurdle to deal with.

            Now, on my laptops (and desktops for that matter) I LOVE linux (arch especially, and debian on servers). But it has aways to go on bay trail like systems to really be practical. Kinda disappointing to be honest.
            Yeah, that sounds very disappointing. For the EFI BIOS...I'm assuming it's UEFI, right? I believe I know the reason the UEFI BIOS is 32-bit. Here's a site where you can petition for them to release a firmware update, now that the reason behind it needing to be 32-bit is fixed.

            https://www.change.org/p/tablet-make...-trail-tablets

            From reading the page there, it seems even if you install a 64-bit version of Linux on there, it will be stuck in 32-bit mode. Could this of been the problem with the kernel modules for the hardware that wasn't working / working properly?

            I know a lot can change with hardware support a new kernel release as well, so if it was just improper support overall for the hardware in the Linux community, maybe a mainstream kernel would fix the problem, assuming you're comfortable with building a custom kernel. It's not that hard, just takes a good bit of time now because of how many options are there. If you're ever interested in building a custom kernel but lack the experience, I'd be more than happy to help.

            How's Arch, anyways? Never tried it. I started in the summer of 7th grade (going into 8th) running Slackware (installing off floppy disks!) and then we switched to Debian. I've ran a custom distro (where I've just manually installed everything, the kernel, the file system, no package manager, etc). I've ran Gentoo, Slackware, Custom Linux install, Ubuntu (eek), Debian (great for System Admins), Red Hat, Mint (based off Debian and Ubuntu), BlackHat 4, and I currently run OpenSUSE. There might of been another one there somewhere that I'm forgetting...
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            • Spork Schivago
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              #7
              Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

              Originally posted by stj
              if the latest kernel has the drivers then it's just a lack of willpower.
              So long as the modules aren't buggy. Sometimes they are though. I know I've had a lot of trouble with buggy modules in the past with one of my motherboards. Modules conflicting, the kernel suggesting I use an ACPI compatible module instead of a native one, etc. Old hardware that probably not too many people ran anymore so there probably wasn't a lot of demand for it to get fixed.

              Do you run Linux Stj? If so, what distro / distros?
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              • ratdude747
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                #8
                Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

                No, it will run x64 no problem... and grub has x32 support for booting x64 OSs. Windows, not so much, hence why they're stuck running x32.

                Yeah, I meant UEFI.

                While there is a custom baytrail kernel available, it's not a kernel issue per se? It's a no camera driver issue... and a crappy realtek on linux driver issue. And just crappy linux suppport for low end cheap hardware issue. Sad, really.
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                • Spork Schivago
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                  Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

                  Originally posted by ratdude747
                  No, it will run x64 no problem... and grub has x32 support for booting x64 OSs. Windows, not so much, hence why they're stuck running x32.

                  Yeah, I meant UEFI.

                  While there is a custom baytrail kernel available, it's not a kernel issue per se? It's a no camera driver issue... and a crappy realtek on linux driver issue. And just crappy linux suppport for low end cheap hardware issue. Sad, really.
                  Generally, the drivers are what makes up part of the kernel. You can build them either directly into the kernel or build them as modules (so you can load them / unload them at will). There are few proprietary drivers that aren't included in the kernel, like nVidia's Linux drivers, but there's usually open source equivalents. Some drivers require proprietary code, like Belkin wireless cards I believe, so the Linux drivers require the firmware from the Belkin wireless cards in order to work. You can download the firmware off the net or extract it from the Windows driver manually. They weren't legally allowed to provide it last time I checked but it might of changed.

                  So, when a new kernel comes out, usually there's new hardware that wasn't supported before and older hardware that was buggy is now fixed. If you can give me the make and model of the hardware, I can check for ya, to see what the current support status is on it. That is, if you're interested in maybe trying Linux again or even care.
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                  • Spork Schivago
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                    Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

                    Does it look like this?

                    http://rcaav.com/tablets/windows/cambio-w101-v2/

                    With the detachable keyboard? That thing looks awesome! Man, it's too bad you can't get Linux running smoothly on that beast!
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                    • stj
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                      • Dec 2009
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                      #11
                      Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

                      Originally posted by Spork Schivago
                      So long as the modules aren't buggy. Sometimes they are though. I know I've had a lot of trouble with buggy modules in the past with one of my motherboards. Modules conflicting, the kernel suggesting I use an ACPI compatible module instead of a native one, etc. Old hardware that probably not too many people ran anymore so there probably wasn't a lot of demand for it to get fixed.

                      Do you run Linux Stj? If so, what distro / distros?
                      i'm using it almost exclusivly,
                      mostly mandriva / magia

                      i have ONE laptop with XP that exists just for shit like flashing iphones
                      and other specific shit needing custom usb drivers.

                      and about 7 assorted laptops, desktops etc that will never see the m$ devil again!

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                      • ratdude747
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                        #12
                        Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

                        Originally posted by Spork Schivago
                        Does it look like this?

                        http://rcaav.com/tablets/windows/cambio-w101-v2/

                        With the detachable keyboard? That thing looks awesome! Man, it's too bad you can't get Linux running smoothly on that beast!
                        yup, that's it.
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                        • Topcat
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                          too bad there is no legacy boot BIOS support. A good tablet or microsoft surface would be quite useful with anyting but 8/8.1 or 10 on it...
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                          • ratdude747
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                            Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

                            Originally posted by Spork Schivago
                            Generally, the drivers are what makes up part of the kernel. You can build them either directly into the kernel or build them as modules (so you can load them / unload them at will). There are few proprietary drivers that aren't included in the kernel, like nVidia's Linux drivers, but there's usually open source equivalents. Some drivers require proprietary code, like Belkin wireless cards I believe, so the Linux drivers require the firmware from the Belkin wireless cards in order to work. You can download the firmware off the net or extract it from the Windows driver manually. They weren't legally allowed to provide it last time I checked but it might of changed.

                            So, when a new kernel comes out, usually there's new hardware that wasn't supported before and older hardware that was buggy is now fixed. If you can give me the make and model of the hardware, I can check for ya, to see what the current support status is on it. That is, if you're interested in maybe trying Linux again or even care.
                            Maybe eventually. AFAIK the drivers were all modules... The issue was also that it be came a custom kernel with many patches nightmare to maintain if it actually worked in the first place. This goes against what I like about my laptop arch installs; they are usually easy to maintain... just a few terminal commands every day to check for updates (and if it breaks, usually it can be fixed with more commands, possibly from a usb boot). Nice and elegant. Trying to make it work on bay trail, not so elegant.

                            If it's any comfort (although cold comfort), I do tend to use a lot of FOSS programs on my windows installs (all my laptops are dual booted with 7, my workstations run 7 exclusively).
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                            • ratdude747
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                              Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

                              Originally posted by Topcat
                              too bad there is no legacy boot BIOS support. A good tablet or microsoft surface would be quite useful with anyting but 8/8.1 or 10 on it...
                              8.1 when modded is very much like 7. See my thread "in defense of Windows 8.1". 10, not so much. This is because 8/8.1 is 7 with a different start menu, which is easily swapped via classic shell. Next, change some task bar settings to make it go to dektop (not start screen) on login and to make metro apps appear in the taskbar. Add modernmix to make metro apps behave like win32 programs and aside from the charms menu, it is basically 7 with a different looking start button and a second settings menu. Most of the lame apps are easily uninstalled, and unlike 10, they didn't seem to come back like bad weeds.

                              TBH the Surface Pro series and even the surfaces are nice hardware... the main issue was with the surface 1 and 2 using nvidia tegra ARM chips that were locked into useless windows RT. The Pro 1/2/3/4 use low power core chips (i5's mainly, the 4 iirc has an i7 option) and the surface 3 uses Bay trail. The pro ones also support the smart pens, which is very nice

                              However, an original surface pro, used in running condition still runs $250+ (and that's without the pen or keyboard cover); they're new enough to have Ivy Bridge CPUs which keeps they price still high (about the same as a Dell latitude of that vintage, such as my E6430). Otherwise I would have screwed Black Friday and just bought that. Much easier to linux I bet.
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                              • ratdude747
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                                Got 8.1 on it... drivers have been a PITA. Between my old insignia drivers and the RCA provided few, it's mostly there minus the touchscreen (the RCA driver code 37's, the others I've found online don't error but also don't work). If I can't get it working by tomorrow, I'm returning the POS and saving for a used surface pro. Stupid POS.
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                                • ratdude747
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                                  Activation FALED. Adios Amigos... between that and the dead touchscreen (my "reason" for returning it), It ain't worth it any more. I'll save the money back towards a used surface pro of some vintage, someday. At least with my Insignia Flex the tablet was decently made and for the most part was well designed (it even had a farking magnesium back, and that was a a low end unit!)... this, the specs are nice (usb 3.0 even) but the drivers are shit and being locked into the suckfest known as windows 10, it's just not up to snuff.

                                  Damn you microsoft...
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                                  • Spork Schivago
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                                    Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

                                    Originally posted by ratdude747
                                    Maybe eventually. AFAIK the drivers were all modules... The issue was also that it be came a custom kernel with many patches nightmare to maintain if it actually worked in the first place. This goes against what I like about my laptop arch installs; they are usually easy to maintain... just a few terminal commands every day to check for updates (and if it breaks, usually it can be fixed with more commands, possibly from a usb boot). Nice and elegant. Trying to make it work on bay trail, not so elegant.

                                    If it's any comfort (although cold comfort), I do tend to use a lot of FOSS programs on my windows installs (all my laptops are dual booted with 7, my workstations run 7 exclusively).
                                    What are FOSS programs? Not familiar with the term there. A lot of patches tend to make it into the kernel, if they're good and stable. In fact, sometimes, the patches are created from the upstream kernel source, to add support to an older kernel. Just something to think about. Man, kind of sucks it's so much trouble setting up and trying to run Linux on that tablet. I always like seeing people make the switch and have a good experience. Kinda deters people I think when they have a bunch of issues from trying again at a later place and time.
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                                    • ratdude747
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                                      Foss means free open source software.
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                                      • Spork Schivago
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                                        Re: Ratdude buys another tablet: RCA Cambrio W101 V2

                                        Ahhh, thank you. So you're taking the RCA tablet back, eh? You said you're going to get a Surface Pro? I'm not familiar with that make or model. I know with television screens, I get mostly Insignia's or Vizio. They always seem to be much cheaper quality. I never run into a Panasonic or a Sony but that could just because no one buys them in this area.
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