Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

[Uranium-235]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

you seem to be back at the drawing board. Have you tried xp32?

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

I still have my board

its not EATX, but it should work. What opterons do you have?

Didn't I say I wasn't interested?

End of discussion on it.

[Uranium-235]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

I still have my board

its not EATX, but it should work. What opterons do you have?

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

If you can't find drivers for xp x64, search for windows 2003 64 bit , it's the same stuff.

same for windows xp 32 bit and windows 2000, most are compatible ...

No luck, turned up the same junk.

edit- while removing another filaed driver in safe mode, I found out that the Amd 81111 and the ADI/realtek 1981b are the same system device... so the real issue is that the inbuilt only AMD 8111 driver doesn't support volume control (or the digital coax output).

Now we know why topcat got the boards cheap...

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

is the ac'97 soundmax enabled in the cmos? you know what fuck that. Disable both, put a cheap sound card in there, you have 1 pci slot and like 4 pci-x (compatible pci) slots

correction, I think those PCI-X slots aren't pci compatible

The slots will work with an PCI card 3.3V compatible. All my PCI cards are in those, as I have the single 5V slot open.

It is... and it showed up in every other OS I used.

I personally know of only a few sound cards with Front audio headers... I own two of them, and the one in use depite being made by VIA apparently does have support. I need to solder on a new header connector but I may give it a spin.

edit- no bueno. Card is toast (AC'97 header's solder pads are ripped).

[mariushm]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

If you can't find drivers for xp x64, search for windows 2003 64 bit , it's the same stuff.

same for windows xp 32 bit and windows 2000, most are compatible ...

[Uranium-235]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

is the ac'97 soundmax enabled in the cmos? you know what fuck that. Disable both, put a cheap sound card in there, you have 1 pci slot and like 4 pci-x (compatible pci) slots

correction, I think those PCI-X slots aren't pci compatible

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

is the AGP driver installed? try and play a game, thats when XP messed up for me without the uli agp driver installed

There wasn't one for xp x64... but I did try some gaming and it ran without a glitch. This is an audio issue, not a graphics issue.-

[Uranium-235]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

is the AGP driver installed? try and play a game, thats when XP messed up for me without the uli agp driver installed

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

Spoke too soon; the audio is borked. The realtek/ADI 1981b AC97 codec doesn't show up... but the AMD 8111 audio controller does. While I do get sound output, the volume slider/mute checkbox does nothing (stuck at full blast).

Every driver for XP x64 and my chip I've tried has BSOD'd it or made it fail to boot (midway botting it hard restarts). I can get by since my speakers have a volume knob, however, this makes anything beyond a basic keybord useless to me.

Tempted to use a clone of what was in my old rig audio wise... But I doubt it has xp x64 support. (edit- it doesn't)

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

http://valid.canardpc.com/2805965

Runs great. will take pics in a bit.

edit- attached my current temps and the like.

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

No need, as So far Xp x64 has been a win. Slipstreamed SP2 (equiv of SP3 x32) and I didn't need any audio drivers... everything else I have found drivers for (even my webcam and tv tuner).

[Uranium-235]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

I can respect the fact you're trying this, but these are old workstation boards at best, ment for XP + AGP Pro card for cad programs. Trying to get them working with new OS's that require a special driver for this "AGP Tunnel" is where your problem comes in

Most motherboards now a day do not even have 16x pci-e slots, only 8x for an extended number of hardware raid controllers. Even at THAT, it might be for naught. I cut a geforce 8400 GS down to 8x and put it in my poweredge 1800 8x slot. Dell logo came up, installed win7, as soon as I loaded the drivers boom, black screen. Put a PCI FX 5200 in there and XP and it was slow as shit, even though it was a 3ghz dual HT xeons with 2GB of ram. Runs fine with ubuntu server. See server boards aren't really focused for desktop usage, for a good reason, its waisted resources. Have a bare integrated video for the linux text console or win server. Notice how server 2008 does not have the 'dx9' requirement that 7 does? THIS is the reason.

I can take a shot of that thread in that 604 heatsink if you want, I know you at one time had 604 heatsinks

if you want a 'different' computer, heres something PCBonez (god rest his soul I assume) taught me. There are these low voltage dual core xeons, and they're cheap

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-2...item20c961d88e

the motherboard is priced good as well

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Dual-X...item35c0ef7e17

you'll need ecc reg ddr2 tho. Again, it only has an 8x slot, and a 16x card might not like it. This is cause its a server board.

supermicro does indeed have a new workstation board listed on its site with an AMD LGA 1944 socket. It is E-ATX, but as you can tell, it has a severe lack of PCI slots and USB ports.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...irtualParent=1

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

Ubuntu gnome was a fail. Trying fedora... But I bet it has the same issue. How ironic, a server rig with piss poor linux support. F**k you AMD.

The good news is that I think I found a way to make XP work with twin monitors in the way I'd like (Aero Snap emulation):

http://www.askvg.com/aquasnap-get-wi...-xp-and-vista/

The bad news is that I don't know how much of my stuff I can get to work with it... I may very well have a $200 Stillborn on my hands here.

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

how many sticks do you have?

this is what I have

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130436

one MSI heatsink, one missing heatsink, but they take 604 heatsinks

8 sticks.

Not interested, 604 heatisnks are a pain (been there done that already). If you had a Tyan thunder K8WE then we'd be talking (but they're $100 on ebay)

I saw this:

http://www.tyan.com/archive/support/html/f_s2885.html

I hope #3 is outdated. If it is, then FML, as I have no Xp x64 COA's.

[Uranium-235]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

how many sticks do you have?

this is what I have

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130436

one MSI heatsink, one missing heatsink, but they take 604 heatsinks

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

you don't want a 'run of the mill' rig, most people have to pay high prices for that

the hardware ID's make it compatible for a PCI bus driver, but the PCI bus driver does not play correctly after drivers are finally installed and it runs using AGP Acceleration

what kind of dual processors and ram do you have lying around? you could ebay an LGA 771 with x8 PCI-E and probably get that to work. Asus makes some single-socket LGA1155 Xeon /w PCI-E 16x. Hell I built one of those for my sisters ex. 16GB Sandy bridge xeon, win7 Pro, good Nvidia card

If you want windows on this motherboard you're going to have to go XP

Not doing XP on twin monitors. PITA since you can't click and drag windows around in the same way (you have to unmaximise and remaximise them manually). I'm linuxing it instead, assuming I can get it to quit kernel panicking the live disc. Right now I'm remixing the image with updates... if that doesn't work, I'll have to find some other way...


My RAM is DDR1, 400 Speed. CPU wise, I have nothing newer sitting (minus the 1.8ghz Pentium Dual core in the remains of my HTPC).

[Uranium-235]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

It's a long story that I'm not going to retell. Let's just say I don't want a run of the mill rig. It's something about old server hardware I like.

Noted on the AGP. Windows acted like no driver was needed so I figured the driver was already ported to 7 and built in.

I'm going to linux it up then... which requires an Nvidia GPU as there are no ATI AGP cards with current xorg support (the last legacy driver focused on speed not compatibility). Still doable.

you don't want a 'run of the mill' rig, most people have to pay high prices for that

the hardware ID's make it compatible for a PCI bus driver, but the PCI bus driver does not play correctly after drivers are finally installed and it runs using AGP Acceleration

what kind of dual processors and ram do you have lying around? you could ebay an LGA 771 with x8 PCI-E and probably get that to work. Asus makes some single-socket LGA1155 Xeon /w PCI-E 16x. Hell I built one of those for my sisters ex. 16GB Sandy bridge xeon, win7 Pro, good Nvidia card

If you want windows on this motherboard you're going to have to go XP

[ratdude747]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

which is why I must bash you for making rigs with, even though server grade, old boards. No there is no driver for 7

I've encountered these kinds of problems before with AGP ports that require a special driver. They're classed to take a PCI bridge driver, but have mainly performance issues without thier own driver. ULI (ali) had a problem with this a few motherboards ago on one of my rigs

the AGP controller in most old motherboards is built into the northbridge, here, you have an AGP CHIP, separate from the northbridge. It does not surprise me conflicts might come up, and that AMD abandoned support for it.

you wonder if its a power issue. Find any other good PSU, short the ON pins, and plug that fucker into the video card

I have a funny feeling this is an AGP issue, and bet if you installed XP and loaded the AGP driver (if you can find it, AMD's site no longer has it), that you could run 3dmark without a hitch

with all the $$$ you spent on these rigs, you could of built a decent ivy-bridge system that could kick the ass of those you've tried combined. I see why you would want workstation class boards and heavy duty stuff, but this is the 3rd time something has come up to fuck the project over. You can get a good quality gigabyte board and a celeron 1610 and be done with it already

here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperMicro-X...item1c32524621

here is a new supermicro board with PCI-E 8x. Take a dremil and cut the ends of the ports off and a 16x card should work in there

*sigh*. I *DO* have a dual opteron MSI board, uses s604 heatsinks (and I only have one). But it only has 4 mem slots (DDR 400 ecc reg). I believe its a VIA chipset

It's a long story that I'm not going to retell. Let's just say I don't want a run of the mill rig. It's something about old server hardware I like.

Noted on the AGP. Windows acted like no driver was needed so I figured the driver was already ported to 7 and built in.

I'm going to linux it up then... which requires an Nvidia GPU as there are no ATI AGP cards with current xorg support (the last legacy driver focused on speed not compatibility). Still doable.

[Uranium-235]

Re: Ratdude's main rig V3, maybe

No, there isn't one for windows 7... is there?

which is why I must bash you for making rigs with, even though server grade, old boards. No there is no driver for 7

I've encountered these kinds of problems before with AGP ports that require a special driver. They're classed to take a PCI bridge driver, but have mainly performance issues without thier own driver. ULI (ali) had a problem with this a few motherboards ago on one of my rigs

the AGP controller in most old motherboards is built into the northbridge, here, you have an AGP CHIP, separate from the northbridge. It does not surprise me conflicts might come up, and that AMD abandoned support for it.

you wonder if its a power issue. Find any other good PSU, short the ON pins, and plug that fucker into the video card

I have a funny feeling this is an AGP issue, and bet if you installed XP and loaded the AGP driver (if you can find it, AMD's site no longer has it), that you could run 3dmark without a hitch

with all the $$$ you spent on these rigs, you could of built a decent ivy-bridge system that could kick the ass of those you've tried combined. I see why you would want workstation class boards and heavy duty stuff, but this is the 3rd time something has come up to fuck the project over. You can get a good quality gigabyte board and a celeron 1610 and be done with it already

here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperMicro-X...item1c32524621

here is a new supermicro board with PCI-E 8x. Take a dremil and cut the ends of the ports off and a 16x card should work in there

*sigh*. I *DO* have a dual opteron MSI board, uses s604 heatsinks (and I only have one). But it only has 4 mem slots (DDR 400 ecc reg). I believe its a VIA chipset