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    Dell 1901FP

    Hello, Back with something new. Have a Dell 1901FP monitor with no signs of life. Connected to AC, cycled power button, no LED or anything visible, audible or smellable.
    Dis-assembled. Saw no evidence of bulging CapXon capacitors on power supply board or anything anywhere else which looked out of the ordinary. Used ESR meter and found 2 caps suspect. C809 – 22uf 50V read 68 and C824 – 22uF 50V read 17. From past experience and countless suggestions on Badcaps I ordered and replaced all electrolytic on power board with Panasonics, except for the big one. I will list all caps and values, not for my benefit but maybe will be handy to someone someday.
    C805 – 50uF 400V big one, did not replace
    C101 – 1000uf 25V, C109 – 220uF 25V, C809 – 22uF 50V, C810 – 47uF 50V, C813 – 1000Uf 10V, C814 – 1000uF 10V, C820 – 1000uF 25V, C821 – 1000uF 25V, C822 - 1000uF 25V, C824 - 22uf 50V, C830 – 10uF 16V, C831 – 1000uF 10V, C832 – 1000uF 10V, C839 – 680uF 25V. Again, these are all the electrolytic on the power supply board.
    When I received the new caps I measured .23 on the replacements for C809 and C824 which was considerably better from 68 and 17 originally measured. Replaced the caps and took pictures of the boards while they were available.
    Then I totally assembled the monitor again, minus the chassis and attempted to power it up. I expected something wonderful but got nothing more than originally stated. So to repeat, now with all connected, cycling power button does absolutely nothing.
    With meter got .2 across fuse F801 on Power board so connected AC to power connector again. Measured 163.2 DC across large cap and measured 10 pin connector going to Main board and got nothing on any pin. Board says connector should be:
    Pin 1 Blue – 5.1 V, Pin 2 Purple – 5.1 V, Pin 3 Yellow – Gnd, Pin 4 Green – Gnd, Pin 5 Black – BRI Out, Pin 6 Brown – INV ON, Pin 7 Red – Audio ON, Pin 8 Orange – Audio DETECT, Pin 9 Gray – Gnd, Pin 10 White – Gnd. The Gnd Pins are grounded to the ground screws but no voltage present.
    Not knowing what else to do, I played around with the ribbon cable coming from the switches and was able to get continuity across Pin 1 & 2 – Gnd and Pin 6 when cycling the power button. So figuring the on/off signal goes through the Main board I traced Pin 6 through and ended up at the big Genesis on Pin 46. So in layman's thinking, I figured the Genesis has to somehow tell the Power Board to let the DC come out to play, but that is the end of my reasoning. I attached the data sheet for the chip, but I don't know what I am looking at.
    I think I have a pretty good start, but my knowledge is lacking enough to continue. Would appreciate some guidance.
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    #2
    Re: Dell 1901FP

    I would appreciate any help, even a tiny hint.

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      #3
      Re: Dell 1901FP

      Check those two low Ohms resistors, then check the DC Voltage between the Ground pin and the VCC pin of the SMPS IC UC3843 (8-PIN SMD).
      Attached Files
      Never stop learning
      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

      Inverter testing using old CFL:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

      TV Factory reset codes listing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        #4
        Re: Dell 1901FP

        Thanks very much for the reply, I just got the notification via email that you replied. 12 hours later, I guess email is real slow here. Am away from the monitor as my wife thinks she needs brakes on the car, but I will check and reply as soon as I can. Again thank you.

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          #5
          Re: Dell 1901FP

          I measured the resistance of those 2 resistors you circled. R824 - .5 ohms and R833 - .7 ohms. Measuring the UC3843 which is I806 with the black lead on Pin 5 - Gnd and red on Pin 7 - Vcc read 0V. I thought at first those resistors were reading shorted, but you said low ohms, so I didn't remove them from the circuit to retest hoping that is OK. Thanks again and look forward to more instructions. Also, I had nothing connected to the power board (except AC) when I took the IC measurements, so if that is not good, I can hook everything back up and repeat.

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            #6
            Re: Dell 1901FP

            Resistors are OK.
            You do not need to have other board connected to test the 5VSTBY circuit.
            I have to trace out the bottom side of the board to get more test points.
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

            TV Factory reset codes listing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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              #7
              Re: Dell 1901FP

              Can you please tell me which are the two pins for 5V on the power supply board are connected to the main board 5V?
              Attached Files
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                #8
                Re: Dell 1901FP

                OK, I think I figure out which one is the 5V Power supply, the IC for the SMPS is IC I801 (16-PIN SMD IC).
                Can you read the numbers of that IC?
                Attached Files
                Last edited by budm; 10-01-2014, 05:33 PM.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  #9
                  Re: Dell 1901FP

                  Here you go ...
                  Attached Files

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                    #10
                    Re: Dell 1901FP

                    Yes sir. It is a Philips TEA1533AT. I took the liberty of attaching a datasheet.
                    Attached Files

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                      #11
                      Re: Dell 1901FP

                      OK, lets check pin 2 VCC and the Ground pin 3,
                      pin 14 DRAIN and pin 3 GND, be real careful on this one since it will have about 170VDC on this pin 14.
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                        #12
                        Re: Dell 1901FP

                        Thanks budm, this is very exciting.

                        With black on Pin 3 (Gnd) and red on Pin 2 (Vcc) I got 7.56V DC.
                        With black on Pin 3 (Gnd) and red on Pin 14 (DRAIN) I got 160.8V DC.

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                          #13
                          Re: Dell 1901FP

                          OK, per spec sheet and the internal block diagram of the TEA1533, the start up Voltage at pin 2 when power is first applied to the IC on the pin 14 which is fed into current source inside the IC, this current source will charge up the start up cap that is connected to pin 2 (VCC), when this Voltage reaches 11V the circuit will start up and drive the MOSFET which drives the transformer, from then the VCC Voltage will be generated by the AUC winding of the transformer to supply the VCC (rectified AC) to keep the IC running. If the VCC drops down below 8.7VDC, the circuit will go into low voltage shut down.
                          So did you replace this small cap that is connected to the VCC pin 2 of the IC?
                          If you did, then there may be bad IC due to failed current source inside the IC or something else is loading down the VCC pin and not allowing it to rise to 11V.
                          Last edited by budm; 10-01-2014, 09:58 PM.
                          Never stop learning
                          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                          Inverter testing using old CFL:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                          TV Factory reset codes listing:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            #14
                            Re: Dell 1901FP

                            yes, I did replace all, but ... Since you told me about that cap, I went and found him and the top where a cap usually has those vent marks looked a little funny, so I got a little magnifying glass and the top has a whitish substance leaking out from under the heatshrink a little and the heatshrink has a very slight raised edge. The top of the cap isn't bulged or anything but looks a little odd for a brand new panasonic. I thought I would measure ESR with my "Blue" and that darn cap is open in circuit! So either that cap was defective from the bag or it failed in circuit. And I don't have enough experience to venture a guess about either. If you look at the picture I took of the board for my original post, he is the little cap C809, which shows a shadow where the heatshrink is raised slightly off the top. The light is too bright in that picture, but I will try to take a better one when I get him out. Maybe that is normal.

                            It is past my bedtime or I would remove it now, but I would appreciate hearing your thoughts about that. I do have another and I will replace it tomorrow and post back the results. I don't know what happened, but you isolated it to that cap and that in itself is so amazing. Thanks for all your help so far and I hope to hear back from you.

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                              #15
                              Re: Dell 1901FP

                              So the C809 is the one that has the positive connected to the VCC pin of the TEA1533? There is no high voltage to damage that cap.
                              You may have bad IC, at this point we know that the VCC is not high enough to start up the IC, we just need to find out what causing it to stay low.
                              Last edited by budm; 10-01-2014, 10:02 PM.
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                #16
                                Re: Dell 1901FP

                                Yes, C809 is a little 22uF, 50V. I now follow everything you have told me, but I never could have derived such information on my own. You are amazing. Your have great abilitiies and wisdom, which I am most admirable of.

                                Today, I rang from Pin 2 of TEA1533 to C809 to make sure I was telling you about the right cap Then I removed him from the circuit. I put in a new Panasonic as I had done when I recapped the board before and applied AC to the board. I checked Pin 2 (Vcc) to Pin 3 (Gnd) and measured 9.02V DC. From your explanation, it needed to be 11V to start charging the cap (C809) which evidently it was, but I was unable to see it because I'm not that fast and the 9.02V DC is greater than 8.7V or it would shut down. So still smiling, I measured the voltage at the connector which goes to the Main board and 5.365V exists on the appropriate 5.15V pins, where it never did before.

                                I see no reason not to put the thing back together, but will await your instructions in case I should check something else while it is disassembled.

                                Thank you again.

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Dell 1901FP

                                  OK, you need to have standby power supply section running (it sounds like it is working now) so the second power supply for the inverter will work because the second SMPS IC gets the VCC from this standby power supply, so connect every back up but do not hit the power switch, then make sure you still have 5.1V, if you do, then push the power switch and see if it comes to life, crossing my fingers.
                                  Last edited by budm; 10-02-2014, 06:35 PM.
                                  Never stop learning
                                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Dell 1901FP

                                    And here it is! Thanks Bud! I had a blast. You are the best.

                                    Would love to chat, but I need to go out and find another broken monitor. See you soon!
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Dell 1901FP

                                      Great, thanks for the good news. So the new little cap is bad?
                                      So now you know how to about tracking down the problem with the help of the IC spec sheet.
                                      Never stop learning
                                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Dell 1901FP

                                        Yes, the new little cap is bad. I will have to keep him for a souvenir of this adventure.

                                        I don't know if I could actually use the IC spec sheet on my own quite yet, but if that new little cap didn't have issues, I would probably never have gotten to learn what little I do know now. It definitely got me thinking!

                                        Thanks.

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