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Old 01-26-2019, 06:56 AM   #21
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I am overwhelmed by the support you guys are providing here. Amazing.

I did change the capacitor with the exact value but the MB is still dead.

Why do I get a(minus) -3.3 volt on one end of the capacitor PC61 even though I am using the probes correctly ?
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Old 01-26-2019, 10:30 AM   #22
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Anybody please help.
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Old 01-26-2019, 09:10 PM   #23
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Default Re: Sony MBX 247 Laptop Dead. Need help ( Pics attached )

Maybe need replace PD27, PD28, PC61, PC62, PC68, and PC69
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Old 01-26-2019, 10:15 PM   #24
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Maybe need replace PD27, PD28, PC61, PC62, PC68, and PC69
Also I do not see any led glowing when I plug in the the adapter. What signals should I check.

I remember before opening the laptop, when I plugged in the charger the battery orange light would glow. ANd on pressing the power button the the green light would glow till the button is pressed.

right now no leds glow in any circumstances. ALso what causes a negative voltage on PC61 ?
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Old 01-26-2019, 11:00 PM   #25
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Did you compare your measurement, before-after replacement?

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Basicly PD27 and PD28 are pump (Come from 5V, should be impossible reversed ) the 5V kicked by oscillation via PC66 and PC69 by 3V_DL. the pumping increase little by little via diode to other diode.

Datasheet will better for explanation

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Should be PC66 not PC68

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Old 01-27-2019, 12:08 AM   #26
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Did you compare your measurement, before-after replacement?

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Basicly PD27 and PD28 are pump (Come from 5V, should be impossible reversed ) the 5V kicked by oscillation via PC66 and PC69 by 3V_DL. the pumping increase little by little via diode to other diode.

Datasheet will better for explanation



Should be PC66 not PC68
No I did not take any measurements before removing the capacitor. There was a physical burn not and it showed shorting so I simply removed it.

Is this section and diode anyway responsible for not letting the LED glow when AC adapter is plugged in ? ACIN signal is present on IO ChiP but AC_PRESENT signal is missing. Just thinking if I am missing something.
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Old 01-27-2019, 12:57 AM   #27
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If board normally +15vpcu not going to any drain mosfets 2n7002, cause all trigger still OFF (S5_ON, RUN_ON) as state DISCHARGE.

May be need to check all 1Mohm resistor that connect to +15vpcu as well.
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:11 AM   #28
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Update : Removing PD28 from the board helps get rid of reverse voltage of -3.3Volt on PC61.
Do you PD 28 could be the cuplrit ? ALso I am unable to find a replacement for the same. I can it is a Schottky diode . What other options do I have now other than finding the same model diode ?
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Mostly those of them found on donor board. (especially quanta mobo)

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CHN217 [Chenmko-A7]
1PS302 [NXP-Ct3]
BAT54S [Fairchild-L44]
BAT54SW [Diodes-KL8]
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Old 01-28-2019, 07:41 AM   #30
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Mostly those of them found on donor board. (especially quanta mobo)
I managed to find BAT54S-7-F_SOT23-3 in one of the donor board. The package is slighly smaller than the one that was removed. You think this could work ?
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I managed to find BAT54S-7-F_SOT23-3 in one of the donor board. The package is slighly smaller than the one that was removed. You think this could work ?

Good idea is read datasheet first.

I think that problem only doesn't fit with pad of diode.

If you don't mind please mention list your donor board. Easily found part on schematic first than search to real board.
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Good idea is read datasheet first.

I think that problem only doesn't fit with pad of diode.

If you don't mind please mention list your donor board. Easily found part on schematic first than search to real board.
I have 6-7 donor board and none of them has the one that matches diode. (Checked with the schematic)
BAT54S
BAT54C
they are all different designs.

Can we use a wire jumper or something just to check if this board can start ?
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I think that problem only doesn't fit with pad of diode.
If your donor was smaller than broken part, solder leg of 3 on original pad, a pairs of legs with help wires to each pad.

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If you don't mind please mention list your donor board. Easily found part on schematic first than search to real board.
What I mean, make list mainboard ID of your donor board, I'll share a few boardview what I have. helps you more easily find component where is the location on mobo.

In example, Quanta ZQE, ZQ9, ZE7 (a few of my donor list)

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If your donor was smaller than broken part, solder leg of 3 on original pad, a pairs of legs with help wires.



What I mean, make list mainboard ID of your donor board, I'll share a few boardview what I have. helps you more easily find component where is the location on mobo.

In example, Quanta ZQE, ZQ9, ZE7 (a few of my donor list)
About donor being smaller , actually it was for discrete board so it is not mounted I misread the schematic

Here is the list of donor boards I have

LA-910P
La-4031
R13_UMA ( HP G6)
LA- 5752
HPMH-41-AB6200-D00G

These are the only donor boards I have with me.
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Hmmm...I think only HPMH-41-AB6200-D00G have those diodes.

Haave looking PD8 and PD7 at Top motherboard. If same code LD3

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair...;attach=237731
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Hmmm...I think only HPMH-41-AB6200-D00G have those diodes.

Haave looking PD8 and PD7 at Top motherboard. If same code LD3

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair...;attach=237731
OK I replaced them and now I have around 10V on 15VPCU line . No more reverse voltage but still no sign of life.
I also notice that PQ59 Pin 4 has only 0.3 volt . Is that normal ?

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[QUOTE=IamPritesh;877776]OK I replaced them and now I have around 10V on 15VPCU line . No more reverse voltage but still no sign of life.
I also notice that PQ59 Pin 4 has only 0.3 volt . Is that normal ?[/QUOTE

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If board normally +15vpcu not going to any drain mosfets 2n7002, cause all trigger still OFF (S5_ON, RUN_ON) as state DISCHARGE.

May be need to check all 1Mohm resistor that connect to +15vpcu as well.

there is a Voltage drop 10VPCU it should be 15VPCU

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OK I replaced them and now I have around 10V on 15VPCU line . No more reverse voltage but still no sign of life.
I also notice that PQ59 Pin 4 has only 0.3 volt . Is that normal ?
there is a Voltage drop 10VPCU it should be 15VPCU
Which component could be resposonsible for the volrage drop ?
When I mount the PD27 then I get around 7.5 volt on pin 3 and then i mount PD28 then I get 9.9 volt on Pin 3.

Also is the gate voltage on PQ59 correct ?
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PD28 in put voltage 15V and out put voltage 9.9V ? voltage in PU9 pin27 & resistance in PL13?
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PD28 in put voltage 15V and out put voltage 9.9V ? voltage in PU9 pin27 & resistance in PL13?
PD27 Input Voltage - 5 Volt
PD28 Output Voltage - 9.9 Volt
If i remove the PD 28 then output voltage of PD27 is 7.5 . Hope it a bit clear now

Voltage on Pin 27 of PU 9 is 4.68.

Any further help is appreciated.
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