LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

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  • jesterace
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 87
    • United Kingdom

    #1

    LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

    Hello,
    I've recently started having a go at repairing some TV's, and had some success but only had the pleasure of working on LCD types. I'm more used to laptop and PC repairs to be honest so this is a bit new to me. Anyway, I've never attempted repairing a plasma before but I've done a fair bit of research on here and think I've got the very basic gist of how they work and what the components/boards inside do... anyway enough gabble, now onto the problem:

    At first, the TV clicked on/off all the time. Sounded to me like a short. I eventually found 4 shorted transistors on the Y-SUS board. I ordered a Y-SUS board on ebay since the parts to repair worked out just as much. Also I followed the LG training manual to test the Y-BUFFER for shorts (none found). However, since I'm a bit of a newbie and it appears common for Y-BUFFERS to fail after a bad Y-SUS and kill a new Y-SUS - I changed that too.

    After installing a new Y-SUS and Y-BUFFER, the TV turns on! Finally! BUT, now there's more trouble. The bottom 3rd of the picture is white (not a perfect solid white bar, but more of a fuzzy horizontal white mess). There is no colour or movement on the screen at all (except for a bit of really high frequency flicker). The remainder of the screen is black. I've not dared to leave the TV on for more than a few seconds because it appears that the humming noise from the sustain boards gets a bit more high pitched and I didn't want to risk the Y-SUS frying if the original cause is still lurking on another board. I'll post a picture in the morning when I can.

    If I disconnect the Z-SUSTAIN, I get the usual purple, slow update symptom but still no sign of an image (I figured worth a try, just wanted to see if I get any movement on the screen).

    I also tried jumping the AUTO_GEN on the control board, but still nothing.

    Incidentally I put the old Y-BUFFER back and that made no difference, so at least my little bit of troubleshooting on the buffer worked out right, there was nothing wrong with that!

    I'm really eager to learn, and would be grateful if anyone with some expertise might be able to point me in the right direction of what to start checking. Since there's no sign of an image feed or colours, and AUTO_GEN does bugger all I did wonder if this might point to a control board fault... but it's just an educated guess. Then again, when the Z-SUS is disconnected there is some purple on the screen so I don't know. I have noticed that the control board led blinks.

    Many thanks,
    James.
    Last edited by jesterace; 05-07-2014, 04:10 PM.
  • jesterace
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 87
    • United Kingdom

    #2
    Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

    Hello,
    I have taken a photo this morning of the white band across the bottom, I'm struggling to find any other pictures elsewhere to compare this with so as yet I'm not sure where to start looking for problems.
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    • Alastair E
      Chief Womble
      • Mar 2013
      • 1963
      • U.K.

      #3
      Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

      Probably a dodgy buffer-board, Have you checked it for shorts?
      TELEFIX

      How PLASMA SCREENS WORK, X-SUS and Y-SUS what they do--
      http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1088.pdf
      PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME PRIVATELY FOR REPAIR ADVICE. QUESTIONS BELONG ON THE FORUM!

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      • tom66
        EVs Rule
        • Apr 2011
        • 32560
        • UK

        #4
        Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

        Would agree have seen that before with bad buffers. Does the set have one or two buffers?
        Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
        For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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        • jesterace
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2013
          • 87
          • United Kingdom

          #5
          Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

          Hello, many thanks for getting back to me. The set has one single Y-BUFFER board at the left of the chassis but two X-BUFFERS at the bottom.

          When you say a dodgy buffer, are you referring to the Y-BUFFER? Only I just put a replacement one in as a precaution with the new Y-SUS and it gave the same image problem. I was hopeful that the new buffer was going to fix the image since it was a horizontal fault, and the Y-BUFFER selects/primes each line of the screen if my research is right? ...but, unfortunately no change.

          I did check the old original Y-BUFFER for shorts and did the other diode tests from the training manual but no shorts were found... the diode tests were slightly off spec in places, but since I'm a n00b at plasma repair I bought another buffer anyway. Like I said, no change with replacement Y-BUFFER.

          Surely I'm not so unlucky that I've bought a faulty replacement Y-BUFFER?

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          • Alastair E
            Chief Womble
            • Mar 2013
            • 1963
            • U.K.

            #6
            Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

            Nah--Its quite easily possible that you've bought a bad buffer, Lots of vendors cant/dont/wont test their stock....

            Worth doing the test on the replacement buffer.....
            TELEFIX

            How PLASMA SCREENS WORK, X-SUS and Y-SUS what they do--
            http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1088.pdf
            PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME PRIVATELY FOR REPAIR ADVICE. QUESTIONS BELONG ON THE FORUM!

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            • jesterace
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2013
              • 87
              • United Kingdom

              #7
              Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

              It seems the vendor has one more buffer left for sale, I'm going to see if they would be kind enough to send it and then I can either return one or both back depending on the outcome.

              Going to check the new buffer for shorts now. Do you think it's safe to say that the new Y-SUS main board that I put in has no bearing on this kind of problem? The old main was literally toasted and the tv just clicked because of the short(s). At least now it starts up and I'm getting a picture, of sorts!

              James.

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              • jesterace
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2013
                • 87
                • United Kingdom

                #8
                Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

                Now I think I'm making progress! I decided, "sod it" and left the TV on for a bit longer (even though the up and down humming noise didn't sound too great). After a few moments, the screen went completely white. Then, the AUTO_GEN test appeared! but it was all in white, no colours, just the test blocks filled white with bits of black background. After a few moments the TV appeared to go back into standby on it's own. Maybe overcurrent shutdown or something? I didn't risk trying it again, not until I got another bright idea.

                Then I wondered, is this a Z-SUS issue, since that board controls the entire screen as a whole? If the whole screen went all white, it's like all the pixel voltages are getting maxed out and never erased (Z-SUS job?). Can you tell I'm slightly enjoying learning on this tv lol, even if I'm probably talking a load of tosh.

                Anyhow I disconnected the Z-SUS (on this TV it takes it's power from the Y-SUS) turned on and held on longer again... and... yes, colour! The test patterns appeared all ok, in colour (just really grainy I guess because there's no erase/discharge happening?). Also, the TV never shutdown on me

                What do you think, bad Z-SUS??? Sounds like the new buffer I got can be returned to seller?

                Thanks for all the help so far,
                James.

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                • Alastair E
                  Chief Womble
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 1963
                  • U.K.

                  #9
                  Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

                  Y-SUS and X-SUS work Together to apply an AC Voltage across All the panel all at once.

                  The buffer on the Y-SUS selects which set of Horizontal Pixels are selected to be supplied the Y-SUS AC power.

                  Note--the AC power can be several Hundred Amperes, derived by the Y-SUS.

                  --Works on a Grid-Matrix system.

                  Buffer along Bottom applies a surface-charge to the vertical lines of pixels, between illumination phases, and is Off during actual excitation. Where there is a surface-charge left by bottom buffer-board And excitation by X and Y-sus by AC, then that pixel will illuminate.

                  Read the Apps Note in me sig--tells you how it all works....
                  TELEFIX

                  How PLASMA SCREENS WORK, X-SUS and Y-SUS what they do--
                  http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1088.pdf
                  PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME PRIVATELY FOR REPAIR ADVICE. QUESTIONS BELONG ON THE FORUM!

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                  • jesterace
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 87
                    • United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

                    Hi TV is all fixed. I removed the Z-SUS board and found that the high power copper inductor had cracked solder joints. It wasn't making any contact at all on one end. Re-soldered, and TV is back to life. Hope this info might be of help to some in the future. Thanks to everyone who has guided me with this problem...

                    James.

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                    • deek
                      New Member
                      • May 2014
                      • 2
                      • United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

                      thank you helped me

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                      • johnboy1313
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 1959
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: LG 42PJ350 clicky, fried Y-SUS, replaced... now white fuzzy band on picture?

                        Awesome. Folks, this is exactly why we like to see follow-up posts.

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