Re: MSI K2N2 Delta 2 LSR
Ok that's pretty clear and makes much more sense than any idea that these things will do that sitting on the shelf. If they were refurbished by MSI then my guess is they'd have known it wouldn't last. The seals were pretty much perfect so they'd been wrapped properly as if new which would make me think it's a factory refurb....
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Re: MSI K2N2 Delta 2 LSR
Thanks, it's useful to know in case. I wondered about AHCI mode as I've heard that it can be a problem switching to that after. I may be getting confused on this though. AHCI mode enables hot swapping amongst other things as I remember....Leave a comment:
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Well after a couple of coughs Windows booted. I noticed that it had reverted automatically to the standard controllers. Initially I thought the nvidia drivers were working.
Only thing now is frustratingly neither of the Gigabit lan sockets seem to work even though the drivers are in and zonealarm recognised a new network. I've had to put my old pci 3com card back in for now.
Otherwise it all seems to be going well. Thanks for your advice...Leave a comment:
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Yeah , this is what I initially figured after the visit to the shop. The guy said something about 'condensation'. Hmm not sure about that particular explanation. What's interesting is that on those, supposedly new boards, the caps that had gone was invariably the one by the memory slot. On one of the 3 there were a few others in addition around the cpu (south side if I remember) . Also all of the bulging caps were of the 2200uf type.
If time were a factor rather than usage wouldn't we expect to see this happen on any of the...Leave a comment:
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Well keeping this on topic, having got the MSI board out I thought I'd do some photos of the bad caps. As you can see the West and south side look pretty bad.
The East, by the memory slots, hasn't leaked seemingly but it's worth a note that the MSI boards that the shop had, this cap in all 3 of their 'new' boards had gone like this - ie. no leaking, just bulging.
Someone tells me that the bad caps never go unless the motherboard is used yet these boards were all sealed and opened in front of me. The only explanation if the above...Leave a comment:
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Ok thanks Sean, this method is definitely more 'graceful' than a repair install.
BTW. out of interest, on current motherboards such as the Asus p6t where the storage is SATA what would be the procedure for those? I had a look on my other system to make sure of the update option and realised that there isn't a standard Sata as such to update to. As I didn't have to use f6 to load any special drivers when I installed I'm curious as to what drivers windows used initially. Currently I have - Intel IC10R Ahci controller showing....Leave a comment:
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Ah yes, getting WGA mixed up with WPA. I've always refused the WGA terms.
and you are right, no more service packs. I had slipstreamed my SP2 version to SP3 in readiness for any repair installs I might do....Leave a comment:
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I just had a thought (a rare thing), both the boards have Nf2 chipsets. I'm wondering if the ide drivers would be the same or similar enough to allow a boot.
I'm almost done on getting the board in and tested. A few distractions have made this a bit slow.
I think the problem with the manual update is that I no long have the MSI board running it was getting very unstable. I think that I'm may not even get into safe mode when the Asus if fired up but we'll see. If not I believe I can boot from UBCD4win and do...Last edited by Louiscar; 04-10-2011, 06:20 PM.Leave a comment:
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Ok so just the storage drivers should do it. I presume that I can do that by uninstalling in device manager in safe mode and Standard Dual Channel IDE will be installed automatically on next full boot?...Leave a comment:
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I've found that to fail in the past but I can give it a try.
As it is I have never agreed to the wpa terms so I'm denied certain updates. Does that kill the activation completely then? I figured I'd ring them anyway, after a bunch of motherboard changes they said any new changes will involve a phone call. This is a development copy so it's good for any amount of changes. I had two motherboards fail before putting the MSI in and it all happened in a short period. If they refuse activation I'll try the above,...Leave a comment:
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Thanks Sean. The only way I know to do it is not to let the hdd boot and do a repair install of windows. If you know of a more graceful way to achieve the swap over it would be good.
Then phone activation which has become mandatory on my system since I changed a few mbs before getting the MSI in. They don't trust me. :-) Luckily I'm not running an OEM copy on that machine. I am worried though at some point they'll just refuse to activate it....Last edited by Louiscar; 04-09-2011, 01:44 AM.Leave a comment:
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Yes that's the boy.
I hung on to mine as a backup just in case I still have a few K7 cpus but it never got used, so now it's got 3 caps missing.
Always liked the Gigabyte boards especially of that era....Last edited by Louiscar; 04-09-2011, 01:42 AM.Leave a comment:
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Lol! Understood.
Ok that explains it. :-)
Well it's a Gigabyte GA 5AA rev 2.2 with ALi chipset.
It's so small that if that screw hole wasn't there, there would only be one screw on the front side to hold it down which is by the ISA bus .. yep we are going back a while and this still has the old bus slots on it.
I'll post a photo at some point but I've shut the MSI down - I've bought an Asus board to replace it with and am just hoping that it's going to work - then...Last edited by Louiscar; 04-08-2011, 09:43 AM.Leave a comment:
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There were a couple of those cheap socket 7 boards that did it, depended on where the cpu socket was placed. These are tiny boards (pretty much square) so they made use of space.
There are no degrees of uniqueness - btw. :-)...Leave a comment:
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Yeah not unusual for these. This board was one that we used to sell when I worked in a computer shop around 2000. It's a socket 7 board, brand new still I just never got around to using it.
I ended up holding with pliers. It needed quite some force to get it in. First try the needle although looked thin enough didn't want to go in and was hard to get back out. I found an even thinner one and that worked just.
I practiced soldering a cap back in which was fine on one of those in the pic but that...Leave a comment:
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The square appears to mark positive on this motherboard.
re the needle. Funnily enough that's what I resorted to after posting. I went on to a third cap and this was not fun. I had a hell of a time clearing the hole. So I used the needle method and that managed eventually to clear it.
Problem is the amount of time I had to apply heat and the board had some marks after which I don't think scratched through the laquer but I'd worry about that on the caps where there is a concentration of tracks very close...Leave a comment:
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Just thought I'd post these up. My first try.
I had a socket 7 board lying around. So I thought I'd see what the 25w iron would do.
It actually wasn't too bad but I may still nip down to Maplins and get that cheap 50w. This way I can compare the differences but I'm pleased with the result. The left hole on TC39 looks blocked but it's clear, just the background light is duller than the flash.
What I noticed is that hole with the square pad is larger in diameter in both cases. Is this normal?...Leave a comment:
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Hi Sean,
I'm in Brighton.
Yes the expensive irons can fail just a easilty. They really do seem expensive for what they are. You can buy a good combintation microwave oven for those prices. :-)
The problem is I won't need it for anything else, my 25w has served me well for anything that I tend to need it for. So once done this will sit on the shelf gathering dust I expect.
I thought the Maplins on on offer was a reasonbable bet but why do they always supply a spike tip? On their site the...Last edited by Louiscar; 04-05-2011, 06:17 PM.Leave a comment:
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Thanks for the information. If I buy the same make (Antex) from Maplin they get really expensive for the 50w ones. I see they have a temp controlled 50w station which is about 2/3 of the price of the Antex on its own and they are doing an offer at the moment that halves the price. I may go with that although it's got a needle tip so I'll need to buy some extra tips.
I think though that you've convinced me not to even attempt this with a 25w iron. I could try (in the safe way I mentioned above) just to see but given your info...Leave a comment:
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Ok. Yes I should have said 'worried about overheating'. I've understood a lower heat iron can result in overheating. Normally I've found my little 25w to be ok for most stuff, it tends to melt fast, however, do you think I should not even risk that?
If I were to try it would I be safe in playing the 3 second rule, ie if it doesn't melt in that time, just stop and don't try again?
If it means anything I have an 'ANTEX' iron with a 3mm chisel tip.
This one in fact:
[url]http://...Last edited by Louiscar; 04-05-2011, 09:22 AM.Leave a comment:
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