Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
I was thinking that as well - sure, voltage regulation on minor rails today aren't the highest priority, but they shouldn't be totally out of spec from the (relatively) light load of a Cumine or Tualatin system either.
Past few weeks have been testing (way more hours than I'd like) with the MSI 694T Pro, and I can't really draw any other conclusions than some unspecified error with the motherboard. I've ended up trying four different PSUs (along with a period-correct, albeit unrecapped, Chieftec HPC-360-202),...
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
Will put it on my todo list, thanks for the encouragement.
Seller is providing a suitable replacement Chieftec unit next week - so to get at least one of the P3's running will be my first priority.
And seeing that unit is from 2002, even if it works it'll probably need a recap sooner than later too... sigh, I really should get into soldering. ^^
Snapped a photo of the Abit recap work - looks good, to an untrained eye at least....
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
Sigh, short update again: got an Enermax 465W with nice rail distribution for older setups (44A 5V goodness). And of course, it's dead on arrival. Primary caps are Hitachi HP3, secondary are CEC(?) CE-TUR series caps - no visible damage at all.
Regardless, it fails to power on a P3, a P4 and even a PSU tester - so it seems very much dead.
Haven't decided whether to try and find a modern PSU that can output enough (a Tualatin P3 shouldn't be *too* power-hungry, after all - Corsair CX650M is the most reasonable I can find...Leave a comment:
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
Sorry, I meant the MSI 694T Pro now - sorry for mixing them up, been messing waaay too much with these two boards the past few weeks.
I know the 440BX requires a lot of love to get a Tualatin to work, with a slotket and/or socket-mod. ^^ (Had a nice ASUS slotket setup ages ago, but that rig is long gone.)
As for the BX133-RAID, I'll get to it, soon™!
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
That's what I thought as well, will see if I can use some isopropyl alcohol to clean the contacts on the CPU and/or the board. Seeing how reseating/wiggling a little can change the result... I'd say there's a chance there's lousy contact between CPU and socket somewhere. I've got a hold of 1.26GHz P3 Tualatin as well, will see if that works any better - both it and the 1.2 are specified to be compatible with the board though.
Honestly, I haven't tried cleaning the pins on the CPUs themselves yet.
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
Quick update - both boards have been recapped, and I think it was another employee at the place who did the work this time. It seems good, but not as good, and I didn't get the old caps back.
After having spent the past day (far more hours than I'd like, I'll blame being an aspie) fighting the 694T Pro, I'll post photos and results when I can. I need a couple of days of sleep first, I think.
The 694T Pro at least posts now, which is more than it did when I last tried it.
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
At least until those pesky manufacturers come out with a new series and/or one intended to replace an old one.
Or figure out a new, "better" electrolytic formula - that can surely never backfire.
Yup, they're MBZ's and they seem ok - but seeing as I don't know the history of the board at all, and it's pushing on 20 years old... and I'm turning it over to have it recapped, I've got FRs to replace them. They gave me all the old caps back last time, so I'm expecting to get all...
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
Appreciate the encouragement, this is still pretty uncharted territory for me and I spent way too much time this weekend trying to go through cap spec sheets and making as much heads or tails of them as I could. ^^
Will update the thread (for posterity if nothing else) as soon as I get the boards recapped. Got 100uF:ers too, they were pretty cheap and wouldn't cost anything extra (offer to do the job was the same price regardless of them) to have recapped so thought that I might as well. Ignored the 10uF though....
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
Ordered FRs, KZMs and a few ZLHs for this and an MSI 694T Pro recap, so here's hoping the boards will liven up a bit with them. And I embarassed myself by not seeing that the UHV series *is* HV and that the U just designates the type. :p
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
Thanks for the effort, and encouragement - I think I'll go with the FRs and UHVs. I didn't know if I should link my Vogons thread, wasn't sure about linking to another forum.
Shame that the good caps list here is so outdated, lots of new cap series introduced since it was posted. :/
I just checked through my other thread regarding a MSI 848P recap (where I had even less of a clue of what I was doing), and there United Chemi-Con KZM and Rubycon ZLH was recommended as replacement for similar caps and usage,...Last edited by PeTTs0n; 09-06-2020, 02:04 PM.Leave a comment:
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
Yeah, the only visible info I got on them is the "B058 LOW E.S.R." marking - same on all but the smaller (10 and 100uF) caps.
The Nichicon UHV caps I've been looking at seem to be a variant of the HV series, which is mentioned on the "good caps" list here, so I might go for them if there are no other suggestions or alternatives....
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
Update:
Well, just my luck - both major distributors are lacking FR's for at least one cap model (Elfa is lacking the 100uF 16V [B]EEUFR1C101[/B], with no apparent suitable replacement (RND Components is the only other manufacturer available, with a few models), and Mouser is lacking the 1500uF 16V [B]EEUFR0J152L[/B], with at least a few options in stock), so those are the ones I'm more inclined to look for a suitable replacement for, to be able to order from one place rather than two.
So it boils down to a main...Last edited by PeTTs0n; 09-05-2020, 02:40 PM.Leave a comment:
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Re: Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
Been looking through alternatives, and as I suspected, Panasonic FR's are readily available as replacement for all of them (bar the 25V 10uF - I don't really feel I need to replace that one though), and I was wondering - do I need to replace the 100uF-ers? Or is it just the main ones (the 1000 and 1500uF)?
Options are as follows (leads are all the same, sizes the same unless specified);
[U]11x 6.3V 1500uF 8x17mm~, 3.5mm~ lead:[/U]
[B]Panasonic FR[/B] - EEUFR0J152L, 8x20mm
[B]United Chemi-Con KZM[/B] -...Leave a comment:
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Abit BX133-RAID odd issue, bad caps?
I just bought a bundle with a Abit BX133-RAID, a 866MHz P3 (SL4CB) and a 256MB PC133 SDRAM stick, that the seller claims were working fine together.
After building a rig out of it, with a known working PSU (Seasonic S12II 520W, for its good 3.3V and 5V rails), I get a good startup screen, but as soon as I try to enter the BIOS, it locks up with a blue bar across the bottom of the screen.
I have seen one thread from 2010 about this issue specifically on Vogons, and the consensus there was that bad caps may very well have something to do with it, and although I can't see any... -
Re: MSI 848P Neo-V recapping - suggestions and options?
It's a small place called [URL="http://www.chipnplay.se/"]Chip n Play[/URL] (they do accept send-in work from all over the country though), I probably asked like 5-6 places who'd been around for 10+ years and seemed serious enough (I like to be on the safe side ^^), 3-4 of them had around the same price, but the reviews of this place seemed good and I'd heard of them before, so I took it to them. Definitely seems to have worked out!
Took a week (bit longer than they estimated, but they...Last edited by PeTTs0n; 02-22-2019, 09:54 PM.Leave a comment:
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Re: MSI 848P Neo-V recapping - suggestions and options?
Got it back today (22nd of feb) with new caps (Panasonic 105C FRs) soldered on, and I gotta say I was pretty impressed with the solder work (to my untrained eye at least) - leads look nice and short on both cap and flip side of board, no excess/lack of solder, no visible heat damage anywhere, no stray solder... and it boots up and seems to be working fine!
I'm really grateful for all the input, thanks again!...
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Re: MSI 848P Neo-V recapping - suggestions and options?
Fingers crossed, turning it over to a repair shop tomorrow! Glad to see that FR's were readily available in the same capacitance and voltage - even if they're not Japanese, I trust Panasonic over most Taiwanese manufacturers, especially when they're 15 years old.
Both the Barton and P3 probably hadn't been used for the past 10 or so years - had been sitting in some dirty storage, and they required quite a bit of love along with the new CR2032s! And compressed air, pure alcohol and...Leave a comment:
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Re: MSI 848P Neo-V recapping - suggestions and options?
Thanks for the input - will likely be turning it over to a local computer repair shop that has also been around for a few decades. Will ofc be stripping it, photo was just snapped as soon as I unpacked it, because I immediately spotted the bulging caps - and if I was to return it, I'd leave it the way I got it. (Learned that returning it would've cost me more than recapping it though...)
Hehe, new CR2032s are aplenty here - just built a P3 and a Barton rig, both had stock batteries.
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Re: MSI 848P Neo-V recapping - suggestions and options?
Cap supplier is [URL="https://www.elfa.se"]ELFA Distrelec[/URL] (been around for decades), and I found this on Panasonic's own webpage as well:
[URL="https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/capacitors/aluminum-capacitors/aluminum-cap-lead/fr/EEUFR0J332L"]EEUFR0J332L[/URL]
[URL="https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/capacitors/aluminum-capacitors/aluminum-cap-lead/fr/EEUFR0J102"]EEUFR0J102[/URL]
Both measurements and other values look ok,...Last edited by PeTTs0n; 02-07-2019, 04:15 PM.Leave a comment:
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Re: MSI 848P Neo-V recapping - suggestions and options?
Thanks a lot for the reply - lot to digest in something already overwhelming, but I'll start looking! :p (Fortunately the caps I got are still inside the return window, so I'll just send them back.)
Wouldn't Panasonic's EEUFR0J332L 3300uF 6.3V work as replacement for the 5xCPU VRM output caps? FR series, 10x25mm, low ESR, right specs as far as I can tell? Am I missing something? ^^ Sorry if I'm asking silly questions, as I said - really a novice in this! If not, I found FR's with 2700uF (EEUFR0J272L) instead -...Last edited by PeTTs0n; 02-07-2019, 07:46 AM.Leave a comment:
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