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Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capacitors

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    Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capacitors

    I have developed below, comparison tables of the characteristics of 5 major Japanese Low ESR capacitors which i hope you find useful for ease of comparison instead of referring to the PDF technical data sheets.
    Last edited by willawake; 06-08-2006, 02:21 AM.
    days are so short when you actually do something..
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    Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

    Direct links to the tables

    Sizing / Capacitance of each manufacturer's series

    Chemicon | Nichicon | Panasonic | Rubycon | Sanyo

    Complete List of the tables:

    1000uF & 1200uF Caps
    --------------------------
    6.3v 8mm 10mm
    10v 8mm 10mm
    16v 8mm 10mm



    1500uF & 1800uF Caps
    ------------------------
    6.3v 8mm 10mm
    10v 8mm 10mm
    16v 10mm



    2200uF Caps
    ------------------
    6.3v 8mm 10mm
    10v 10mm
    16v 10mm 12.5mm



    2700uF Caps
    ------------------
    6.3v 10mm 12.5mm
    10v 10mm 12.5mm
    16v 12.5mm



    3300uF Caps
    --------------
    6.3v 10mm 12.5mm
    10v 12.5mm
    16v 12.5mm



    3900uF Caps
    --------------
    6.3v 12.5mm
    10v 12.5mm
    16v 12.5mm
    Last edited by willawake; 06-08-2006, 02:27 AM.
    days are so short when you actually do something..

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      Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

      1000uF & 1200uF 8mm 10v Caps


      days are so short when you actually do something..

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        Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

        so far so good...

        1000uF & 1200uF 10mm 10v Caps


        days are so short when you actually do something..

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          Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

          1500uF & 1800uF 8mm 6.3v Caps



          days are so short when you actually do something..

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            Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

            1500uF & 1800uF 10mm 10v Caps




            days are so short when you actually do something..

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              1500uF & 1800uF 10mm 16v Caps



              days are so short when you actually do something..

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                2200uF 10mm 6.3v Caps



                days are so short when you actually do something..

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                  Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

                  2200uF 10mm 10v Caps



                  days are so short when you actually do something..

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                    2200uF 10mm 16v Caps



                    days are so short when you actually do something..

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                      Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

                      3300uF 10mm 6.3v Caps



                      days are so short when you actually do something..

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                        Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

                        Well, after 6 hours nontsop working on this, i give up. That's as far as my blood (& eyes) could go , honestly it took tons of drink to complete them. And im not satisfied yet with the result. A scripted webpage would be more excellent...


                        At 1000uF range, diameter of the caps became less important as they are easy to obtain at 10mm and 8mm. So it would be simpler and more compact if I include the 8mm and 10mm at the same table.. But that can not do, i have to keep my table consistent.. doh!!



                        Comments are always welcome..


                        to be continued..
                        days are so short when you actually do something..

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                          Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

                          Yanz, you've done a lot of work! I would suggest grouping the caps by similar performance rather than by vendor. Since many vendors' have series whose specs are very, very similar (e.g. KY and HE, or LXZ and PW), users of your chart could both see what is available for a specific value and voltage, and the grades of performance.
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                            Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

                            Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                            Yanz, you've done a lot of work! I would suggest grouping the caps by similar performance rather than by vendor. Since many vendors' have series whose specs are very, very similar (e.g. KY and HE, or LXZ and PW), users of your chart could both see what is available for a specific value and voltage, and the grades of performance.

                            Thanks! Yup, you are right. That gives me an idea of how the data would be useful for they who need it.. The work is still far from finish.

                            Altough i have done a caps comparison by performance, let me think again how to put the data in the table. I ask to myself: should I use one table or several tables.. or no tables at all just links to them. What is the easiest arangement so it can be read easily... etc..

                            Another idea: table of relation between endurance and temp (range from 105C, 95C, 85C... 35C)

                            Anyway i hope my raw data are easy to read, and i hope the color code do some help .

                            I will attach the excel documents when it is ready.


                            We'll have to do sorting and grouping those series/brand by their performance. Pls give me input/opinion about that...


                            BTW I include my own observation. Caps with very close characteristics:
                            • group 1: Chemicon LXZ = Nichicon PW = Panasonic FC
                              group 2: Chemicon KZH ~ Nichicon HV ~ Rubycon ZLH
                              group 3: Chemicon KY = Nichicon HE = Rubycon YXG
                              group 4: Chemicon KZE = Nichicon HD = Rubycon ZL = Sanyo WX
                              group 5: Chemicon KZG = Rubycon MBZ = Sanyo WG
                              group 6: Chemicon KZJ = Rubycon MCZ
                              group 7: Nichicon HZ


                            Performance grade:
                            • group 1 < group 2 < group 3 < group 4 < group 5 < group 6



                            This rise some question:
                            • Where is Panasonic FM belong in the comparison?

                              group 5 < Panasonic FM < group 6

                            • Or, Nichicon PM ?

                              Nichicon PM = Chemicon LXY/LXV ~ group 1

                              Why are'nt they belong to group 1 ? They are longer size so they are slightly better in impedance. But if that isnt enough to justify it, we can add them to group 1:

                              group 1: Chemicon LXZ = Nichicon PW = Panasonic FC = ( Nichicon PM + Chemicon LXY)



                            Now this gives me a headache. There are a lot of series with almost the same spec but different in case size (advanced technology) and endurance . Wait, should we create comparison by endurance?

                            Isn't endurance = performance?


                            Man, i would avoid complexity as much as possible. *double headache.. help!

                            days are so short when you actually do something..

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                              Re: Comparison tables between 5 major Japanese Low ESR capasitors

                              Check also the thread made by Big Pope:

                              (Comparison Table of 4 Major Japanese Low ESR Capacitors)
                              https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1191


                              He made this:

                              Code:
                              Nichicon 	NCC 		Rubycon 	SANYO 		Remarks
VZ 		KMG 		YXA 		MV-CZ 		105C General Purpose
PW 		LXZ 		-		MV-CX 		Miniature, Low ESR
HE 		KY 		YXG 		MV-CA 		K6, K6-2, P2, P3 grade
HD 		KZE 		ZL 		MV-WX 		K7, P3 grade
HV 		KZH 		ZLH 		- 		Extra long life, miniature, Low ESR
HM 		KZG 		MBZ 		MV-WG 		K7, K8, P4, P4+ high quality grade
HN 		KZJ 		MCZ 		- 		Ultra Low ESR
HZ 		- 		- 		- 		Lowest ESR of all electrolyte capacitors

                              What i disagree from that table are:

                              - Sanyo CA is far worse than Rubyon YXG and Chemicon KY/Nichicon HE
                              - Should we include Nichicon HN/HM?. They are on badcaps list.
                              - I would avoid Nichicon VZ, Chemicon KMG, Rubycon YXA, because of their higher ESR. But their quality are better then some LESR Taiwanese Caps. I know some people use some general purpose of japanese caps (like Rainbow ) for recaping with no probs. I was once using Chemicon SXE (general purpose) with no success. I have to ask japlytic though, wether he use the SXE for PC board or Audio hardwares.. Probably SXE is good for certain board that fine with higher ESR Caps.
                              - Panasonic caps should be included in the comparuson due to the popular use of FJ series..
                              days are so short when you actually do something..

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