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  • trunks81
    Badcaps Veteran
    • May 2020
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    #1

    Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

    Hello

    Ive got one other 47PFL4606, only this one the fuse keeps blowing !
    I allready replaced the next parts

    BD901
    D901
    Q902
    Q901
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  • budm
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    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
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    #2
    Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

    Same board as this one, right? No funny soldering going on?
    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...63&postcount=1
    Last edited by budm; 07-22-2020, 03:20 PM.
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    • dick_barton
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      • Aug 2015
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      #3
      Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

      If you're blowing fuses then there a short or low resistance fault which youshould be able to find with your multimeter set to ohms.
      Have you checked Q801 & Q802

      Is this a second thread on the same set???
      Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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      • budm
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        • Feb 2010
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        #4
        Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

        Originally posted by trunks81
        Hello

        Ive got one other 47PFL4606, only this one the fuse keeps blowing !
        I allready replaced the next parts

        BD901 (Main bridge rectifier)
        D901 (PFC diode)
        Q902 (PFC MOSFET)
        Q901(12V/24 SMPS MOSFET)
        What are tested bad about those parts? What pin is shorted to what pin on those parts?
        So the fuse is still blowing after you replace those parts?
        Last edited by budm; 07-22-2020, 05:19 PM.
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        • trunks81
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          • May 2020
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          #5
          Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

          At the moment only Q901 test between the D-S 1.25 OHM
          Even afteri replaced it! When desoldered iam getting an normal reading
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          • trunks81
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            • May 2020
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            #6
            Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

            Originally posted by dick_barton
            If you're blowing fuses then there a short or low resistance fault which youshould be able to find with your multimeter set to ohms.
            Have you checked Q801 & Q802

            Is this a second thread on the same set???
            i forgot to check them they where the fault.. smps doesnt blow the fuses any more !

            Edit smps stil doesnt has power to the M/B so i swapped out IC901 and IC902
            After this R919 exploded and D901,Q902 measure very low ohms (these where replaced by me before !)
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            Last edited by trunks81; 07-22-2020, 11:37 PM.

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            • budm
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              • Feb 2010
              • 40746
              • USA

              #7
              Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

              Originally posted by trunks81
              At the moment only Q901 test between the D-S 1.25 OHM
              Even after i replaced it! When desoldered iam getting an normal reading
              I am confused. Are you saying that when you test SMPS Q901 tested OK off the board, but tested shorted when it is on the board?
              If that is the case you need to check the snubber cap C936 which is connected in parallel with S-D pins of Q901.
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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              • trunks81
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                • May 2020
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                #8
                Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                Originally posted by trunks81
                i forgot to check them they where the fault.. smps doesnt blow the fuses any more !

                Edit smps stil doesnt has power to the M/B so i swapped out IC901 and IC902
                After this R919 exploded and D901,Q902 measure very low ohms (these where replaced by me before !)
                Checked C936 and it is oke ! No low ohmage and the meter measure 120uf in cicruit

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                • budm
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                  • Feb 2010
                  • 40746
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                  #9
                  Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                  I am confused, so when you first check
                  D901, Q901, Q902 the 3 original parts are all shorted and the main fuse was blown when you first check the TV out?
                  It sounds like you made it worst by throwing parts at it.
                  Last edited by budm; 07-23-2020, 12:06 AM.
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  • trunks81
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                    • May 2020
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                    #10
                    Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                    Oke

                    Resoldered the old parts back and replaced R919,D901,Q902
                    Now the smps doesnt explode or the fuse blows.

                    When i measure the 5V its only 2.7V, When i connect an 1K to S/B-5V iam getting 1.9V on the 5V
                    When checking the 12V its 0.040V and the 24V its 3V

                    Edit when i pull out C936 the short is gone ! But when i measure C936 in ohm it is not low, and capcitance is 139pf
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                    Last edited by trunks81; 07-23-2020, 04:48 AM.

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                    • dick_barton
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                      • Aug 2015
                      • 6642
                      • Wales

                      #11
                      Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                      Edit when i pull out C936 the short is gone ! But when i measure C936 in ohm it is not low, and capcitance is 139pf
                      What resistance reading did you have?

                      What voltage do you now have across the two legs of C907?
                      Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                      • trunks81
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                        #12
                        Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                        Sorry i was wrong..

                        C936 my meter says its OL in ohms, last reading i touched something with my hands
                        C907 is 316VDC

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                        • dick_barton
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                          #13
                          Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                          So you have lost your PFC voltage and worse still your +5VSTB standby voltage.
                          Since you have some voltage on the secondary supply for +5VSTB then IC905 must be working or attempting to work, I would check the components around IC905 and also D917
                          Last edited by dick_barton; 07-23-2020, 10:17 AM.
                          Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                          • trunks81
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                            #14
                            Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                            Tested D917.. for both diodes the forward Voltage is 200mV
                            Looks low to me ?
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                            Last edited by trunks81; 07-23-2020, 11:26 AM.

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                            • dick_barton
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                              #15
                              Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                              Your tester gives it the OK so I would be satisfied with the reading.
                              Out of curiosity what is the diode part number.
                              Last edited by dick_barton; 07-23-2020, 12:53 PM.
                              Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                              • trunks81
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                                #16
                                Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                                its a SRF1060
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                                Last edited by trunks81; 07-23-2020, 01:32 PM.

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                                • dick_barton
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                                  The data sheet shows the reverse voltage for the SRF1060 as 0.750V so the results do seem low. Use you multimeter set to diode mode and see what results you have.

                                  If the 5VSTB is still not fully up I would check ZD914, D915, D916, ZD908, ZD907, ZD912
                                  Last edited by dick_barton; 07-23-2020, 03:49 PM.
                                  Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                                  • budm
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                                    • Feb 2010
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                                    OP component tester only puts out low milliamp so the Vf reading will be low, see the Vf graph on page 4 of the spec sheet in post 16.
                                    As you can see on page 2 of the spec sheet, Vf is 0.70V at test current of 5A.
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    • trunks81
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                                      • May 2020
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                                      Hello got the next reading on those diodes tested with the multimeter (UT-181A)

                                      D917 = Both test 0.15V, And reverse OL

                                      ZD914 = 0.51V and reverse OL
                                      D915 = 0.51V and reverse OL
                                      D916 = 0.50v Solderd out of pcb because on pcb got reading both ways
                                      ZD908 = 0.50v Solderd out of pcb because on pcb got reading both ways
                                      ZD907 = 0.70v Solderd out of pcb because on pcb got reading both ways
                                      ZD912 = its not present on board

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                                      • budm
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                                        • Feb 2010
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                                        • USA

                                        #20
                                        Re: Philips 47PFL4606 No Power Fuse Keeps Blowing

                                        Just plug the power supply board by itself to the AC outlet without any 1K pull-up resistor.
                                        1) What Voltage do you have on C946?
                                        2) What Voltage do you have between the pin 3 and pin 4 (Photo Transistor side) of the OPTO IC907?
                                        3) What Voltage do you have between the pin 1 and pin 2 (LED side) of the OPTO IC907?
                                        4) Check C943 capacitance and ESR.
                                        5) You post #10 "When i measure the 5V its only 2.7V, When i connect an 1K to S/B-5V iam getting 1.9V on the 5V" this one does not make sense, the Voltage should go up not down when pull-up resistor is connected, it is the same symptom for the same board in the your other thread for the same TV and board.
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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