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  • grimacelord
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    #1

    Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

    Hi. I have a Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 here with some problems that I can't pin-point the cause of.

    Some history on the TV, it was brought in to me after it suffered a power surge/lightning strike. I was able to find both the power and the main board pretty cheap and for the sake of time, I went ahead and bought both. Replaced both the main board and the power supply board and the TV exhibits the same symptoms as it did with it's original boards:

    1. No standby LED.
    2. No display.
    3. Voltages on the power supply side fluctuate wildly, not stable.
    4. One of the transformers is making a buzzing sound every 1/2 second or so. "Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz" - as soon as it's plugged into power.

    I have done some minor troubleshooting steps already, like checking the fuses and trying to get some voltage readings on the pins, but as I said, they vary wildly so I can't get anything stable.

    I have tried disconnecting (one at a time and testing after each one) everything except for the power and main board and of course the AC power cable. I did check and saw 121VAC from the wall outlet, just to make certain.

    So being that both boards are exhibiting the same symptoms, what is going on? Could the two main cables between the two boards somehow cause this? What are the chances of receiving two ("new") boards that show the exact same symptoms?

    Here are some photos for ya.

    EDIT: I added a pic and circled the transformer that is making the "buzzing" sound every half second or so.
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    Last edited by grimacelord; 08-04-2018, 10:50 AM. Reason: Added pic
  • budm
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    #2
    Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

    1) Is the power supply board still buzzing if you run the power supply board on by itself?
    2) Have all the board connected together and then check the resistance between
    GND and J623 (P-ON+21V)
    GND and J620 (AMP+3.3V)
    GND and J621 (ALL+3.3V)
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    • grimacelord
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      #3
      Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

      Originally posted by budm
      1) Is the power supply board still buzzing if you run the power supply board on by itself?
      2) Have all the board connected together and then check the resistance between
      GND and J623 (P-ON+21V)
      GND and J620 (AMP+3.3V)
      GND and J621 (ALL+3.3V)
      1) No, the power supply is quiet when only it is plugged in and powered on.

      2) Resistance between the jumpers you listed and GND is as follows:

      J623-13.9 and dropping
      J620-0.L
      J621- 58.0

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      • budm
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        #4
        Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

        "J623-13.9 and dropping "
        Look for SMD cap C3214 on the main board and check its resistance.
        Similar problem:
        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...214#post841636
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        • grimacelord
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          #5
          Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

          Originally posted by budm
          "J623-13.9 and dropping "
          Look for SMD cap C3214 on the main board and check its resistance.
          Similar problem:
          https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...214#post841636
          I'm having trouble locating a capacitor labeled as C3214 on my main board. I've looked over it several times. In fact, I cannot find capacitors in the C32xx range at all. They go from C30xx, C31xx, C33xx, etc.

          I cannot find a single C2xx labeled capacitor anywhere. Maybe I'm just blind though.

          BA51REG0401 2 is the main board number.

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          • budm
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            #6
            Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

            In this case we need to find the service manual for the main board or you will have to trace the P ON+21V to see where it goes to on the main board, there will be many places.
            Please look at the back of the TV where the model number sticker is, see what the Chassis number is.
            Is it PL 11.8?
            Last edited by budm; 08-06-2018, 09:20 AM.
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

            TV Factory reset codes listing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            • grimacelord
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              #7
              Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

              Originally posted by budm
              In this case we need to find the service manual for the main board or you will have to trace the P ON+21V to see where it goes to on the main board, there will be many places.
              Please look at the back of the TV where the model number sticker is, see what the Chassis number is.
              Is it PL 11.8?
              I don't see anything about Chassis number.
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              • budm
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                #8
                Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                This is going to tough, I cannot find the service manual for this model, the closest one I found is for 5706.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • grimacelord
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                  #9
                  Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                  I found a service manual that lists my model on the cover page of it.

                  I attached it to this post. Is that what you need?
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                  • budm
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                    #10
                    Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                    Yep!
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                    • budm
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                      #11
                      Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                      Originally posted by grimacelord
                      I found a service manual that lists my model on the cover page of it.

                      I attached it to this post. Is that what you need?
                      Which website did you go to?
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                      Comment

                      • grimacelord
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                        #12
                        Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                        Originally posted by budm
                        Which website did you go to?
                        www.electronica-pt.com - It's in Portuguese, but it had what I was looking for.

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                        • budm
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                          #13
                          Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                          It looks like you have type F main board, so look at all the caps connected to the P-ON+21V to find out which one is bad.
                          Attached Files
                          Never stop learning
                          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                          Inverter testing using old CFL:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                          TV Factory reset codes listing:
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                          • budm
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                            #14
                            Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                            Originally posted by grimacelord
                            www.electronica-pt.com - It's in Portuguese, but it had what I was looking for.
                            That is where I went, I missed it some how.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                            Comment

                            • grimacelord
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                              #15
                              Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                              Originally posted by budm
                              It looks like you have type F main board, so look at all the caps connected to the P-ON+21V to find out which one is bad.
                              Alright. So I tested C3606, C3641, C3639, C3731, C3624, C3630, C3734, C3735, C3631. I also tested D3602, D3604, R3610, and R3612. Everything seems to be in working order. The ones that are marked "OPEN" on the schematic are not present on the board.

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                              • budm
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                                #16
                                Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                                None of the resistance reading on those caps show 13.9 Ohms that you indicated in post #3 when reading the resistance between GND and the P-ON +21V?
                                Never stop learning
                                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                • grimacelord
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                                  Originally posted by budm
                                  None of the resistance reading on those caps show 13.9 Ohms that you indicated in post #3 when reading the resistance between GND and the P-ON +21V?
                                  I changed probes and then took new readings of GND and J623 (P-ON+21V), GND and J620 (AMP+3.3V) and GND and J621 (ALL+3.3V). They read differently now.

                                  J621 0.5 then drops to 0.3 and holds
                                  J620 0.4 then drops to 0.2 and holds
                                  J623 0.4 then drops to 0.2 and holds

                                  Sorry about that. Are these numbers more in line of what we would expect to see?

                                  I think it's worth mentioning that it still doesn't produce a standby light or power on. There is still that pulsating buzzing noise too.

                                  I decided to go back and take resistance readings of each of those caps a second time with the new probes. Here is what I got:

                                  C3606, 4.81, dropping
                                  C3641, 4.69, dropping
                                  C3639, 4.71, dropping
                                  C3731, 4.6, dropping
                                  C3624, 4.9, dropping
                                  C3630, 4.9, dropping
                                  C3734, 4.6, dropping
                                  C3735, 4.61, dropping
                                  C3631 - 4.2, dropping

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                                  • budm
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                                    Originally posted by grimacelord
                                    I changed probes and then took new readings of GND and J623 (P-ON+21V), GND and J620 (AMP+3.3V) and GND and J621 (ALL+3.3V). They read differently now.

                                    J621 0.5 then drops to 0.3 and holds
                                    J620 0.4 then drops to 0.2 and holds
                                    J623 0.4 then drops to 0.2 and holds

                                    Sorry about that. Are these numbers more in line of what we would expect to see?

                                    I think it's worth mentioning that it still doesn't produce a standby light or power on. There is still that pulsating buzzing noise too.

                                    I decided to go back and take resistance readings of each of those caps a second time with the new probes. Here is what I got:

                                    C3606, 4.81, dropping
                                    C3641, 4.69, dropping
                                    C3639, 4.71, dropping
                                    C3731, 4.6, dropping
                                    C3624, 4.9, dropping
                                    C3630, 4.9, dropping
                                    C3734, 4.6, dropping
                                    C3735, 4.61, dropping
                                    C3631 - 4.2, dropping
                                    Are you setting the meter to Ohm mode and the TV is not plugged in?
                                    J621 0.5 then drops to 0.3 and holds
                                    J620 0.4 then drops to 0.2 and holds
                                    J623 0.4 then drops to 0.2 and holds

                                    What are those readings? Ohm, DC Volt, AC Volt?
                                    They do not make any sense to me, they cannot be showing less than 1 Ohm on all those jumpers.
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    • grimacelord
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                                      Originally posted by budm
                                      Are you setting the meter to Ohm mode and the TV is not plugged in?
                                      J621 0.5 then drops to 0.3 and holds
                                      J620 0.4 then drops to 0.2 and holds
                                      J623 0.4 then drops to 0.2 and holds

                                      What are those readings? Ohm, DC Volt, AC Volt?
                                      They do not make any sense to me, they cannot be showing less than 1 Ohm on all those jumpers.
                                      Yes. Meter set to Ohm mode and TV is not plugged in. All boards are connected to each other properly.

                                      The readings were all taken in Ohm mode.

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                                      • budm
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Phillips 55PFL5601/F7 - No Standby, No Power, Fluctuating Voltages...

                                        1) So are they 0.5, 0.4, Ohms, K Ohms, M Ohms.
                                        2) What resistance scale do you have the meter on: 200 Ohms, 2K Ohms, 20K Ohm, etc.
                                        3) What did you use for GND for the meter?
                                        It is impossible to all 3 power supplies output showing <1 Ohm.
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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