40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

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  • attainteddragon
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Apr 2013
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    #41
    Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

    no power for testing continuity.

    dc for testing the connector.
    WHY CAN'T PHILIPS USE PHILLIPS HEAD SCREWS?

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    • ajsterr4
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2016
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      #42
      Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

      Would backlights cause half of the screen to be red/black?

      weird that the screen used to be blue

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      • ajsterr4
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        • Jun 2016
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        #43
        Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

        Originally posted by attainteddragon
        no power for testing continuity.

        dc for testing the connector.
        The connector has very tiny entrance holes for each individual wire on the connector, so small i can't get my meter probes in to test it...

        If i disconnect that connector i can test each pin from the connector but the TV won't be on, which i assume is incorrect for this testing?

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        • ajsterr4
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          • Jun 2016
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          #44
          Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

          nvm that last comment, it is possible

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          • ajsterr4
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2016
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            #45
            Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

            Originally posted by attainteddragon
            that looks heaps better.

            eg.
            pin no, pcb marking, stby v, power,on v.
            1 12v 0.00v 11.90v
            2 ps on 0.09v 4.96v
            etc.

            it has 2 rows of pins, so you will need to test it where the cable goes into the connector.
            Do i count each individual pin as pin no 1, pin no 2?

            the first row of pin is for DIM BL_ON and there are two pins

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            • ajsterr4
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2016
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              #46
              Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

              I've tested the connector going from power board to main board, in standby and with power on...

              Here are the results attached

              looks like an issue with DIM BL_ON pins

              low voltage on one of the pins



              STANDBY READINGS

              pcb mark pin# voltage
              ________________________


              DIM BL_ON 1 0.02v 2 0.0v

              GND PW 3 0.0v 4 0.05

              +5VSB 5 4.96v 6 4.96v

              GND 7 0.00v 8 0.00v

              GND+12V 9 0.00v 10 0.09v

              +12V 11 0.09v 12 0.09v

              GND 13 0.00v 14 0.00v

              +12V 15 0.09v 16 0.09v







              POWER-ON READINGS

              pcb mark pin# voltage
              ________________________

              DIM BL_ON 1 1.66v 2 3.99v

              GND PW 3 0.00v 4 2.36v

              +5VSB 5 4.97v 6 4.97v

              GND 7 0.00v 8 0.00v

              GND+12V 9 0.00v 10 11.77v

              +12V 11 11.77v 12 11.77v

              GND 13 0.00v 14 0.00v

              +12V 15 11.77v 16 11.77v
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              Last edited by ajsterr4; 05-26-2017, 10:12 PM.

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              • attainteddragon
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                • Apr 2013
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                • australia

                #47
                Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                is the bl_on pin staying at 3.99v when the backlights go out?

                the dimming pin is good.

                if you have a couple of 1k resistors, you could jump the ps on to see if the backlights stay on.
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                • ajsterr4
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2016
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                  #48
                  Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                  oh i thought DIM BL_0N was all one thing

                  i understand... yes it stays at 3.99

                  I don't have the resistors

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                  • attainteddragon
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                    • Apr 2013
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                    #49
                    Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                    so the backlights should stay on then.

                    if you remove the inverter cover, there will be a couple of caps under the shield. take a look at them for signs of failure.
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                    • ajsterr4
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                      • Jun 2016
                      • 115
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                      #50
                      Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                      The backlights come on only on the right side of the tv, where it shows red, then they turn off
                      but the backlights aren't coming on at all on the left side of the TV

                      i removed the cover and theres 4 capacitors 350microfarads 35v

                      all 4 look fine, no bulge
                      Last edited by ajsterr4; 05-26-2017, 10:42 PM.

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                      • budm
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 40746
                        • USA

                        #51
                        Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                        So you do have BL-ON and Dimming that means the control signals are fine, but do you have 24VDC at the inverter board and is it staying at 24VDC? If it does then you have problem with either the lamps or the inverter board itself if the backlights do not stay on. Look at the back of the screen in the dark room to see if the backligts are on and staying on or not.
                        Never stop learning
                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                        • ajsterr4
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2016
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                          #52
                          Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                          Budm, how do i check for 24VDC at the inverter board?

                          I did a meter readings on the main connector going from ps board to inverter and the pins that are hot are all at 2.43v
                          the other pins say VIN, GND, Error out, etc...

                          The backlights aren't staying on, only one side comes on then for a sec then they shut off
                          Last edited by ajsterr4; 05-26-2017, 10:52 PM.

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                          • ajsterr4
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2016
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                            #53
                            Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                            as for continuity tests

                            a few of the 8 caps i changed are 1000uF 35v caps:

                            i got a continuity of 1100 and it kept rising

                            there are a few 16v caps too, some get ~830, some get ~730 continuity

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                            • budm
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 40746
                              • USA

                              #54
                              Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                              Vin is the 24Vin for the inverter.
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                              • ajsterr4
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2016
                                • 115
                                • USA

                                #55
                                Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                                pins 1-5 are Vin and they're reading 2.43v precisely when tv is powered on

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                                • attainteddragon
                                  Badcaps Veteran
                                  • Apr 2013
                                  • 764
                                  • australia

                                  #56
                                  Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                                  it would need to rise to the 24v or close to, to start lighting the lamps. try measuring it again either from the connector on the ps or the connector on the inverter.
                                  WHY CAN'T PHILIPS USE PHILLIPS HEAD SCREWS?

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                                  • ajsterr4
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Jun 2016
                                    • 115
                                    • USA

                                    #57
                                    Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                                    Ok, that was my error; the pins are reading 24.3v when the TV is powered on - no fluctuation in voltage

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                                    • attainteddragon
                                      Badcaps Veteran
                                      • Apr 2013
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                                      #58
                                      Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                                      in that case, your ps is good.

                                      now we need to look at your inverter and backlights.

                                      can you get a high res pic of your inverter board.
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                                      • ajsterr4
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Jun 2016
                                        • 115
                                        • USA

                                        #59
                                        Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                                        Ok, i took a series i pics of the board, its long so the pictures are numbered 1-4

                                        if you need better ones i can do so

                                        i know you can't see the tops of the caps on the inverter board, they aren't bulged - i guess that doesn't neccessarily mean they're still good. I can check them out of circuit or in?
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                                        • attainteddragon
                                          Badcaps Veteran
                                          • Apr 2013
                                          • 764
                                          • australia

                                          #60
                                          Re: 40" RCA L40FHD41 No Picture + No Audio

                                          on the transformers, resistance test the output pins that i have marked out.
                                          no power applied during testing.

                                          these are the output pins that drive each backlight ccfl. you would not put your meter anywhere near these with power applied. very high voltage.


                                          check all of the transformers, top to bottom. the top one will have a different resistance to the others, but we still need to know how it reads. you are looking foe one output that is noticeably different to the others.

                                          p.s. i'm guessing these pics are off of a phone, as they are tiny when i extract them to my desktop.
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