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  • TofikLupus
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    • Apr 2017
    • 7
    • Czech republic

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    LG 42LM615S No picture, sound and backlight working

    Hi all,

    I'm new to this forum so sorry if I missed any important info. Have read the rules and all. So---

    Recently I found this 42" LG TV in a trash yard, it looked nice and most importantly the screen was not cracked so I took it home. Upon connecting the TV to mains, it turned on, the Standby LED blinked 2 times (I read this is normal as the TV boots up) and I managed to tune in local TV stations over DVB-T. The sound works, but the LCD panel doesn't. It's continuously black from the start-up. The backlight glows and occassionally changes its brightness depending on the displayed scene.
    Judging by this behavior, I assumed it is the T-Con board fault. So I ordered a new one from Aliexpress.

    T-con P/N: 6870C-0401B
    MODEL: 32/37/42/47/55 FHD TM120 Ver 0.2


    After a month of waiting, the module shipped in, and I replaced it only to find out the LCD is still dark.

    I tried to disconnect one of the ribbon cables leading from T-con to the Buffer board of the LCD (there are two buffer boards, the panel is split to two sections). I expected one half of the panel to go blank and pass the white backlight. But it stayed black. So I tried to disconnect both sections of the panel, still the panel was all dark, not letting any light through. I wanted to check if there's something wrong with the control chips located on the sides of the panel, but I found none, so I guess those are already somehow integrated in the ones located along the bottom of the panel.

    Then I measured the T-Con supply voltage, and measured 12V just fine. I also checked the continuity of all the wires in the LVDS cable and they all seem fine.

    After finding no issues with supply voltages there, I moved onto the Main board.

    Main board model: LD21B/LC21B
    EAX64317404(1.0) G4_L_TU123


    Measured some of the test points located near the LVDS connector, I found 12V.
    Then I measured all the pins of the Power connector on the main board.
    Results are:



    That one pin which reads fluctuating voltage 0.8 to 3.4V was usually stepping between 2.4 and 3.4V, very precisely, so I'd say that is an intended function. The 0.8V might've been just a measurement error.

    The rest of the photos for this TV is available in this Imgur album http://imgur.com/a/eXNoN

    I'll also attach the Service manual for this TV.

    Full name of this particular model is the 42LM615S-ZE

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    I wish I had an oscilloscope to measure the output LVDS signals (if the CPU even outputs anything at all), but all I got is a cheap multimeter so I'm very limited in terms of debug equipment.

    Thank you for help.
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  • dskall
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    • Oct 2016
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    #2
    Re: LG 42LM615S No picture, sound and backlight working

    You can probe your data lines with a voltmeter should get around a volt to see if active. No substitute for oscilloscope though.
    I assume no responsibility for any stupid suggestions I might post.

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    • TofikLupus
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      • Apr 2017
      • 7
      • Czech republic

      #3
      Re: LG 42LM615S No picture, sound and backlight working

      Originally posted by dskall
      You can probe your data lines with a voltmeter should get around a volt to see if active. No substitute for oscilloscope though.
      Thanks for advice, I wouldn't have thought the multimeter will read anything at all at god knows what waveform at high frequencies. I just measured 5 out of 12 pairs of LVDS RX pins, specifically

      RXA3+(14) RXACK+(16) RXA2+(19) RXA1+(22) RXA0+(24)
      RXA3-(15) RXACK-(17) RXA2-(20) RXA1-(23) RXA0-(25)

      All of them measured 1140 to 1270mV, except for RXA0+ and RXA0- which sit both at 2mV. I don't have a good access to the rest of the pins because the solder pads are way too small for my probes, I could measure the first 5 pairs because there was a spot ready for soldering a different 30 pin LVDS connector which had bigger pads and also they were more spaced away. It only uses the RXA outputs, RXB is probably an extra set of outputs for bigger screens which is in my case occupied.

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      • dskall
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        • Oct 2016
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        Re: LG 42LM615S No picture, sound and backlight working

        Only tells you if you have something on data lines is about all.
        I assume no responsibility for any stupid suggestions I might post.

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        • TofikLupus
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          • Apr 2017
          • 7
          • Czech republic

          #5
          Re: LG 42LM615S No picture, sound and backlight working

          Originally posted by dskall
          Only tells you if you have something on data lines is about all.
          Well, It seems that I will have to wait till I get an oscilloscope, I checked the SM schematics if there's any possible obstacle in the way of the LVDS lines but I found it goes straight from the SoC to the connector, with no resistors or anything. So either the integrated output stage of the LVDS section is shorted in that one pair which reads 0 or it's unused... No idea. But why would they trace it to the connector if it was unused?

          I'll try to stick some needles on the multimeter probes and I'll try to measure the rest of the pins and get back with the results.

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          • TofikLupus
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            • Apr 2017
            • 7
            • Czech republic

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            Re: LG 42LM615S No picture, sound and backlight working

            Okay so I haven't tested the LVDS voltages but I probed the driver board of the LCD panel (which i mistakenly called a buffer board before). And I found something interesting. Some of the SMD caps seem to be shorted, the multimeter reads 0 ohms when testing them. But that's only on the right board. The left board is basically a mirrored version of the right board, so I tried to measure the same caps on the left board and it reads 1.3kOhm there. Not sure which one I should trust but both seem a bit suspicious to me because they're all caps and I didn't see them connected to any resistors so at best the multimeter should measure only an immediate value and then go OL.

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            • vinceroger69
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              • Mar 2012
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              Re: LG 42LM615S No picture, sound and backlight working

              we have seen smd capacitors go short on these boads before so not uncommon do any of them get hot when the sets powered on have you got freeze spray?

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              • TofikLupus
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                • Apr 2017
                • 7
                • Czech republic

                #8
                Re: LG 42LM615S No picture, sound and backlight working

                Alright people, thank you all, I solved the problem.

                As I suspected, the problem was a shorted SMD capacitor on power rail of the right driver board of the LCD panel. But since there was at least 5 or 6 of those (judging by its size those are 100n decoupling caps), I had to desolder one after another and measure which one is actually shorted. Fortunately I found the little bastard on 3rd soldering so I didn't have to go through all of them. I probed the pads for any other possible shorts and it was alright so I hooked up the T-con to the LCD and voila! Half a picture! So I turned off the TV and tried to connect the other side of the panel and, both sides now work no problem. Although I'm a bit unsure about the resistance I measured on the other side, which wasn't a short but 1.2 or 1.3kOhm... which is not exactly an open circuit as capacitors should be. But it works and I don't want to bother with it anymore, I'll look into it after it fails again

                So, here are some photos:





                I will upload the picture of the whole TV after I put it back together. You will find it in the Imgur album, in case you missed the link, it's here

                Once again thank you all for suggestions.

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                • dskall
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                  • Oct 2016
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                  #9
                  Re: LG 42LM615S No picture, sound and backlight working

                  Funny disconnecting ribbon cables should have brought up problem.
                  I assume no responsibility for any stupid suggestions I might post.

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