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    Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

    Vizio M3D651SV will not power on.
    I acquired this 65” LED 3D TV from a friend. That the claimed that while watching tv it just went out. There was nothing being displayed on screen and no sound. No light coming from the TV what so ever. There was no pop when it went out at least not loud enough to be heard. They did claim that the tv did something similar earlier in the day but it did turn back on. It was a couple hours later that I finally went out and has not been able to be turned back on by press the power button on the TV or remote.

    I've taken the back covers off and checked with my multimeter that I am getting 5vsb at the power board pins and the 5vsb makes its way to the pins at the main board even to the connections at the power button on the TV and the remote IR senor in the tv I believe that is what is called. There are actually 4 5vsb pins. When I press the power button or remote button I can measure the volts in each of their pins and can tell it is it is trying to push the 5vdc through. It doesn't appear that the main board processor is sending the turn on signal to the power board. The PSON Pin commonly referred to on many other posts on this power board I am assuming is the one titled Remote_ON/Off. There is also 1 BL_ON/OFF pin and 1 DIM_PWM_Signal pin along with 3 12vcd pins, and 5 SGND Pins.

    I watched a youtube from Jimmyshop on how to test a power board. There was a part that mentioned using a jumper from the PSON Pin (assuming it is the Remote_ON/Off titled pin on this power board) to a 5vsb pin. When I do this it does then generate the 24vcd from the power board to the led drivers connections and the 18vcd from the power board to the main board which powers the speakers. I have the TV plugged into a surge protector as soon as I flip the power switch at the surge protector I can hear a poof sound from the speakers. I unplugged the speaker connections to clearly hear for other sounds and I do hear a faint I guess you could call it a click. It sounded like maybe a relay switch on the power board.

    I would assume that based on my limited tv and electrical knowledge that I would blame this tv's issue on the main board because the power board appears to generate the vdc to power the necessary components of this TV.

    In the same youtube video about checking your power board there it was also mentioned checking to see if the backlights would turn on. I am confused on this part. I can't seem to figure out how to force the backlight on. I thought that I could do another jumper from the 5vsb to the BL_On/Off pin and or another jumper from another 5vsb pin to the DIM_PWM_Signal but when I try to this nothing happens as far as lights coming on, I do appear to get the 5vcd on the BL_On/Off but only 2.5vcd on the DIM_PWM_Signal at the led driver pin. I am just using a straight wire to do the jumping from the connection unplugged at the main board. I already get the 24vcd from the power board to the led drivers. What might I be doing wrong trying to get the backlights to turn on?

    Is it possible that I may have both a bad main board and led driver board at the same time? Is it necessary for the main board to work correctly to even be able to attempt to test the backlights?

    As far as checking the T-Con board the pins are so tiny to measure the vcd. Is it necessary for me to get these vcd readings to figure out these issues?
    Regarding power board testing Buds trouble shooting guidelines mentions testing the power board output with a dummy load. This part has me worried to attempt as the pins are really tiny and close together. Do I even need to attempt this? Would the main board not send a signal to the Remote_On/Off switch because of a load issue? I'd figure the tv screen would at least flicker a brief light and then shut off.

    Like I previously mentioned my tv and electrical knowledge is limited. I watch a lot of youtube videos and read many forums but none really addressed this model. I hope I got the jargon down correctly. I am stumped on what to do to figure out how to get this tv working again. There are no obvious bad capacitors or burn marks. Do I need to provide board numbers and what pictures should I provide?

    I hope the badcaps.net community can help.

    I tried to provide as many details as possible. If you need any additional details please let me know.
    Attached Files

    #2
    Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

    I do want to point out that during the whole process I could not get the Vizio logo on the front panel to display either the amber light or white light. I assume the processor is not sending out volts to the amber/white light connections as vdc remain at 0.

    Below are the board #s:
    Main Board #: 0171-2272-4662
    Power Board #: 0500-0507-2030
    LED Driver Board # 65T05-D02 followed with another # T650VD01
    T-Con Board appears to have the same #s as the LED Driver.
    Attached Files
    Last edited by maximum230; 12-14-2016, 11:32 AM. Reason: Add Picture of Main Board and Power Board

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      #3
      Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

      We need the listing of the DCV readings of each pin of the connectors on the power supply/LED driver board when TV is not turned on and when power switch is activated, make sure to put down the pin name and follow by the DCV reading so we do not have to guess what each pin is for.
      Never stop learning
      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

      Inverter testing using old CFL:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

      TV Factory reset codes listing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        #4
        Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

        Originally posted by budm View Post
        We need the listing of the DCV readings of each pin of the connectors on the power supply/LED driver board when TV is not turned on and when power switch is activated, make sure to put down the pin name and follow by the DCV reading so we do not have to guess what each pin is for.
        I have numbered the pins, provided their descriptions and dcv readings.

        Budm by “when TV is not turned on” I want to ensure you mean the tv is plugged in and the surge protector on. If so then the dcv readings are what I have listed.

        By “power switch is activated” are you referring to when I attempt to press the power button on the remote or remote power button? If so there is absolutely no change to the 5dcv readings. Nothing appears to happen at all pressing the tv or remote power button.

        I do want to point out that when using a straight wire on CN202 on the main board end and jump from pin 1 (5vsb) to pin 13 (REMOTE_ON/OFF) I do get the dcv readings that I should be getting.

        Power Board CN202 connector. CN202 connects to the main board.
        1 5vsb = 5dcv
        2 5vsb = 5dcv
        3 5vsb = 5dcv
        4 5vsb = 5dcv
        5 SGND = 0vcd
        6 SGND = 0vcd
        7 SGND = 0vcd
        8 SGND = 0vcd
        9 SGND = 0vcd
        10 12V = 0vcd
        11 12v = 0vcd
        12 12v = 0vcd
        13 REMOTE_ON/OFF = 0vcd
        14 BL_ON/OFF = 0vcd
        15 NC = 0vcd
        16 DIM_PWM_SIGNAL = 0vcd

        Power Board CN203 connector when the TV is plugged in. I believe this connector powers the speakers. CN203 connects to the main board.
        1 SGND = 0vcd
        2 SGND = 0vcd
        3 18V = 0vcd
        4 18V = 0vcd

        Power Board CN204 Connector. CN204 connects to LED Driver
        1st 2 pins are empty and not being used
        3 SGND = 0vcd
        4 SGND = 0vcd
        6 SGND = 0vcd
        7 SGND = 0vcd
        8 SGND = 0vcd
        9 24v = 0vcd
        10 24v = 0vcd
        11 24v = 0vcd
        12 24v = 0vcd
        13 24v = 0vcd
        14 24v = 0vcd
        15 and 16 pins are empty and not being used.

        Power Board CN205 Connector. CN205 connects to LED Driver
        1 DIM_PWM_SIGNAL = 0vcd
        2 BL_ON/OFF = 0vcd
        3 SGND = 0vcd
        4 SGND = 0vcd
        6 SGND = 0vcd
        7 SGND = 0vcd
        8 SGND = 0vcd
        9 24v = 0vcd
        10 24v = 0vcd
        11 24v = 0vcd
        12 24v = 0vcd
        13 24v = 0vcd
        14 24v = 0vcd
        15 and 16 pins are empty and not being used.
        I hope I did this right.

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          #5
          Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

          OK, so when the power switch on the TV is activated, I expect the:
          13 REMOTE_ON/OFF (same as PS-ON) = to go high (>2.5VDC) when power switch is activated, this is PS-ON signal from the main board to turn on the rest of the power supply.

          '13 REMOTE_ON/OFF = 0vcd
          14 BL_ON/OFF = 0vcd
          15 NC = 0vcd
          16 DIM_PWM_SIGNAL = 0vcd'

          So right now the main board is not sending any command signals to the power supply board at all.

          Main board will have to be troubleshoot.
          There are two SMD fuses on the main board, one of them is for 5VSTBY so you should have 5VDC at both end on one of the fuse with ref. to the chassis GND.
          Another fuse is for the switched 12VDC.

          "I do want to point out that when using a straight wire on CN202 on the main board end and jump from pin 1 (5vsb) to pin 13 (REMOTE_ON/OFF) I do get the dcv readings that I should be getting."So when you remove the connector from the main board and force on the power supply, you should then see the 12V and the 24v at the power supply connector if the power supply is OK. BTW, I always 1K resistor for jumping in case the mistake is made so you will not damage the circuits.
          Last edited by budm; 12-14-2016, 01:47 PM.
          Never stop learning
          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

          Inverter testing using old CFL:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

          TV Factory reset codes listing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            #6
            Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

            Thanks Budm.

            When I get home this afternoon I will check those fuses.
            I want to say that I happen to randomly check one of them and the one I check did read the 5dcv. Which might make since why I am able to get 5dcv at the power bottom and remote sensor those connectors are on the main board.

            Maybe I did check the other fuse and it did read 0dcv. I take it that it might be those 12dcv that are part of powering up the backlight?

            Replacing a 12dcv SDM fuse on a main board could it really be that simple to get this tv up and running. I sure hope so.

            I'll follow up late this evening.

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              #7
              Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

              Originally posted by maximum230 View Post
              Thanks Budm.

              When I get home this afternoon I will check those fuses.
              I want to say that I happen to randomly check one of them and the one I check did read the 5dcv. Which might make since why I am able to get 5dcv at the power bottom and remote sensor those connectors are on the main board.

              Maybe I did check the other fuse and it did read 0dcv. I take it that it might be those 12dcv that are part of powering up the backlight?

              Replacing a 12dcv SDM fuse on a main board could it really be that simple to get this tv up and running. I sure hope so.

              I'll follow up late this evening.
              So the fuse for the 5V STBY is OK but the main board is not sending the command signal, so no command signal = no switched 12V/24V, you will not have them until the main board send out the command signal to turn them on.
              BTW, I am not sure if the 18V is switched 18V or not.
              If you run the power supply board by itself and use the 1K resistor between the 5VSBY and the PS-ON (Remote ON/OFF) pin you should then see the 12V and the 24V at the connector if the power supply board is OK.
              Last edited by budm; 12-14-2016, 02:49 PM.
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                #8
                Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                Regarding your "I am not sure if the 18V is switched 18V or not" comment the 18v. The 18v only kicks on when I jump between the 5VSBY and the PS-ON (Remote ON/OFF) pin. I believe the power board to be ok.

                I do get 5vdc on one of the SMD fuses on either side. Can you clarify what reading I should get from the 2nd fuse? At the moment I get 0vdc. however when I check continuity the fuse appears to be fine. An I doing something wrong?

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                  #9
                  Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                  Originally posted by maximum230 View Post
                  Regarding your "I am not sure if the 18V is switched 18V or not" comment the 18v. The 18v only kicks on when I jump between the 5VSBY and the PS-ON (Remote ON/OFF) pin. I believe the power board to be ok.

                  I do get 5vdc on one of the SMD fuses on either side. Can you clarify what reading I should get from the 2nd fuse? At the moment I get 0vdc. however when I check continuity the fuse appears to be fine. An I doing something wrong?
                  Second fuse is for the switched 12V, so if the PS-ON is present but you do not have the 12V/24V then the power supply is not working.
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                    #10
                    Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                    I would inspect the power supply real well for bad soldering works first.
                    Vizio 0500-0507-0920 (DPS-353AP) Power Supply for M3D650SV
                    http://www.shopjimmy.com/vizio-0500-...upply-unit.htm
                    Check the fusible resistor R601 (0.22 Ohms) for the 12V/24V SMPS section.
                    Pictures provided by SHOPJIMMY.
                    Attached Files
                    Last edited by budm; 12-14-2016, 11:13 PM.
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      #11
                      Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                      Originally posted by budm View Post
                      Second fuse is for the switched 12V, so if the PS-ON is present but you do not have the 12V/24V then the power supply is not working.
                      Budm I can only force the PS-ON to be present by disconnecting the connector from the main board and jumping from a 5vsb to PS-ON doing so gives me all the correct vdc readings from the power board even the 12v and 24v pins. Wouldn't this mean that the power board is good?

                      I get a 5vdc reading from the SMD fuse and 0vdc from the other what is supposed to get that other SMD fuse to get to a 12vdc reading?

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                        #12
                        Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                        If your getting all the correct voltages with the mainboard connector disconnected etc this usually means you have a bad mainboard it maybe worth you now checking all the voltage regulators on it take a note of the part numbers and board location number and report all voltages for all the regualtors this is with all the connectors re fitted and the set turned on.

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                          #13
                          Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                          Originally posted by vinceroger69 View Post
                          If your getting all the correct voltages with the mainboard connector disconnected etc this usually means you have a bad mainboard it maybe worth you now checking all the voltage regulators on it take a note of the part numbers and board location number and report all voltages for all the regualtors this is with all the connectors re fitted and the set turned on.
                          Thanks for the next step. I'll look up some youtube videos on voltage regulators and report back with the readings I get late this evening or early tomorrow morning.

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                            #14
                            Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                            Originally posted by maximum230 View Post
                            Budm I can only force the PS-ON to be present by disconnecting the connector from the main board and jumping from a 5vsb to PS-ON doing so gives me all the correct vdc readings from the power board even the 12v and 24v pins. Wouldn't this mean that the power board is good?

                            I get a 5vdc reading from the SMD fuse and 0vdc from the other what is supposed to get that other SMD fuse to get to a 12vdc reading?
                            OK, I thought you were NOT getting the 12V/24V when you force on the power supply board, I must have read your post 1 wrong, sorry.
                            If you do have the 12V/24V with force on then yes the power supply board is OK.
                            Last edited by budm; 12-15-2016, 10:05 AM.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                              #15
                              Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                              Originally posted by maximum230 View Post
                              Thanks for the next step. I'll look up some youtube videos on voltage regulators and report back with the readings I get late this evening or early tomorrow morning.
                              budm link may help
                              https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...999#post300999
                              also this video

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNFzBJELFoU
                              Last edited by vinceroger69; 12-15-2016, 11:29 AM.

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                                #16
                                Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                                I have checked the voltage regulators and here are the vdc readings.
                                The main board appears to have 3 voltage regulators.

                                UP13 board location
                                H11170 line 1 of voltage regulator
                                1.2 224 line 2 of voltage regulator
                                Pin 1 0.00
                                Pin 2 1.21
                                Pin 3 3.31

                                UP14 board location
                                AX 11170 line 1 of voltage regulator
                                2153 line 2 of voltage regulator
                                Pin 1 2.06
                                Pin 2 3.31
                                Pin 3 5.23

                                UP15 board location
                                AX 11170 line 1 of voltage regulator
                                2153 line 2 of voltage regulator
                                Pin 1 2.06
                                Pin 2 3.31
                                Pin 3 5.23

                                It appears the voltage regulators are working properly. There are 2 capacitors next to each of the voltage regulators and they line of with the voltage in and voltage out readings.

                                Are there any issues with the vdc readings? If not what is the next step to check?

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                                  Well after reviewing some other posts. Since I think the voltage regulators are ok and looking over some other posts maybe the next step is to check the Low Dropout Voltage regulators. These appear to be 8 pin LDOs.
                                  There appear to be 4 of them on the main board. The printed letters and number are so tiny to read off the LDOS I am going to need to get a magnifying glass to read them but for now I'll try to post what I thinking the printed letters and numbers might be. There is a small white dot around the LDOs I am going to assume that is supposed to indicate that the pin nearest to the dot is Pin 1.
                                  Here are the their vdc readings

                                  CL1 Board #. This LDO is located nearest to the connector that supplies the 5vsb.
                                  4635P line 1 of LDO
                                  ACCJAP line 2 of LDO
                                  Pins 1 through 8 all read 0.00vdc

                                  UP 12 board #. This LOD is located below the LDO mentioned above.
                                  0291 line 1
                                  A152B line 2
                                  Pin 1 5.22vdc Pin 8 5.21vdc
                                  Pin 2 0.80vdc Pin 7 0.96vdc
                                  Pin 3 0.00vdc Pin 6 0.00vdc
                                  Pin 4 0.80 Pin 5 5.20

                                  UP 10 board #. This board is located to the right of the LDO mentioned above.
                                  A152B line 2
                                  Pin 1 5.22vdc Pin 8 5.21vdc
                                  Pin 2 0.80vdc Pin 7 2.08vdc
                                  Pin 3 0.00vdc Pin 6 0.00vdc
                                  Pin 4 0.80 Pin 5 5.20

                                  UA1 board #. This LDO is near the connector that supplies power to the speakers. When I use a jumper between a 5svb pin and PS_ON I can hear the speakers power on. I do not believe this LDO has an issue. I will list their vdc readings. I will get these readings with the jumper in place.
                                  Pin 1 8.48vdc Pin 8 17.05
                                  Pin 2 8.50vdc Pin 7 8.50
                                  Pin 3 8.28vdc Pin 6 8.50
                                  Pin 4 0.00 Pin 5 8.28

                                  Unfortunately I don't have an idea of what the 1st 3 LDOs should read. Why does the 1st LDO not have any vdc readings. LDOs UP12 and UP10 are about the same except for Pins 7 on each LDO, is there an issue with Pin 7?

                                  I think we are pretty sure the main board is the issue. There just aren't any main boards with my board # or part # available. I am going to have to figure out what on the board is wrong and replace whatever pieces are the issue.

                                  What should my next step be?

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                                    budm a question regarding this mainboard and the issue do you think this could be a eeprom/spi ic issue? would/could it cause these issues.

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                                      May be. I do not see SHOPJIMMY offering any EEPROM for this model.
                                      Try disconnecting the cable going to the IR sensor board to see what will happen.
                                      Never stop learning
                                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                                      Comment


                                        #20
                                        Re: Vizio M3D651SV will not power on

                                        Originally posted by budm View Post
                                        May be. I do not see SHOPJIMMY offering any EEPROM for this model.
                                        Try disconnecting the cable going to the IR sensor board to see what will happen.
                                        I disconnected the IR sensor board and pressed the power button on the tv and nothing happened.

                                        With the IR sensor connected I went ahead and disconnected the power button and tried to turn on with the remote. Nothing happened.

                                        I can't seem to locate a schematic for this board.

                                        Is the eeprom located underneath the metal square close to the center of the main board?

                                        Flipping the main board I don't see any obvious issues.
                                        Any other suggestions?

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