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  • triplefour
    Badcaps Legend
    • May 2014
    • 1747
    • USA

    #1

    Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

    trying to fix this tv for a friend on the cheap, so no replacing of motherboard or PSU as they are still over 60$ each even though this tv is pretty old
    already.

    i have psu board number 0500-0407-0700
    seen here: http://www.shopjimmy.com/vizio-0500-...upply-unit.htm

    voltages im getting at CN201:
    pin label voltage
    1 5vsb 5.09
    2 5vsb 5.09
    3 5vsb 5.09
    4-7 GND 0
    8-10 12v - 12.04v
    11 PSON 2.2V
    12 INV ON 3.22V
    13 LAMP 0V
    14 DIM 3.23 at first then drops to 2.91

    3 fuses on the mb read fine 5v and 12v


    first thing i tried to do was unplug the psu from the main board and used 1k resistors to jump from 5vsb to PSON. no luck. so i jumped also from 5vsb to INV ON. still no luck. just for kicks i tried jumping to lamp from dim, and a few other random combinations. all i was ever able to get was a quick backlight flash, no flash at all, and one time, i swear i got it to stay on but it was flickering like mad. cant remember the combo that got it to do that, but suffice it to say i just couldnt make this psu stay on by itself.

    so i plugged it all back in normally with no jumpers and was just trying to test the voltages at the connector, when the backlights came to life. the tv stayed on for over an hour before shutting down again. i started to think maybe it could be a loose wire at cn201? but of course the next day it was back to the same 2seconds to black crap and no ammount of jiggling wires or prodding with the voltmeter probes could get it going again.

    so i tried disconnecting inv_on from the mb connector and leaving the mb plugged in and jumping inv_on with 5vsb like before...still nothing.

    i started to feel like the problem had something to do with lamp always being 0, so i tried various combinations of jumping it from, pson, inv_on and 5vsb. none of that would work.

    but for some crazy reason, when i jumpered from dim to lamp, voila! the backlight stays on solid, the tv functions and everything looks fine!

    so LAMP is usually at 0v when the set is in standby or on (amber or white)
    and the dimm of course is 0 in amber and 2.91 in white
    but when i use the 1k resistor between the 2 of them, they both get around 2v which seems to be the sweet spot.

    thing is i do hear a slight whine coming from the inverters. i cant be sure if this is normal. its definitely not something you would hear unless you put your ear to the back of the tv once the case is on. so maybe i dont need to worry about it?

    thing im worried about, is can i leave this in place as a permanent solution without possibly causing a fire hazard down the road?

    and more importantly, i'd really like to know for sure if this is a PSU problem or a MB problem!
    kind of hard to do when theres no service manual for it... (at least i couldnt find it on elektrotanya, is there some better place to look now?)

    thank you for all your help so far!
    Last edited by triplefour; 06-02-2016, 05:55 AM.
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  • Caleb
    Smokin IC's
    • Feb 2013
    • 645
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

    Common trouble on this set is u33 on main, you can test and verify it has input voltage and see if it is outputting the 2.5v for the backlights to turn on
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    • triplefour
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      • May 2014
      • 1747
      • USA

      #3
      Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

      thank you for the reply I will check that out as soon as I can. But what about the other question I had? is this jumper solution I found between dim and lamp dangerous to use for long term?
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      • Caleb
        Smokin IC's
        • Feb 2013
        • 645
        • USA

        #4
        Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

        Im not sure on that, I try to error on the side of caution and say probably not. Budm would might have better insight into whether it would be a safe bodge or not
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        • budm
          Badcaps Legend
          • Feb 2010
          • 40746
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

          Can we see the whole backside of the TV to see what boards you have in your TV?
          So far the main board is sending the correct signals.
          Never stop learning
          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

          Inverter testing using old CFL:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

          TV Factory reset codes listing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          • triplefour
            Badcaps Legend
            • May 2014
            • 1747
            • USA

            #6
            Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

            i listed the psu in the first post:
            0500-0407-0700
            http://www.shopjimmy.com/vizio-0500-...upply-unit.htm

            and the motherboard is this one:
            0171-2272-3253
            http://www.shopjimmy.com/vizio-3647-...for-e470vl.htm

            i did some more testing last night and i found that when i disconnected the wire from lamp going to the PSU, then i do read 2.5v from the MB. somehow when it is connected though, it all goes to 0. does this mean some kind of short to ground? but why then does it not short to ground the DIM voltage when i jumper those 2? if its the circuit on the psu connected to the lamp pin...

            but mainly i just want to know if its safe to use. cause this guy doesnt have a lot of money to pay me to replace chips...though i would like to do it, its not my tv so not my call. if he sees it working like how it is right now he's gonna want to take it home...but then if a fire happens or the tv breaks later ill get the blame!

            so just to clarify: i have the lamp pin wire that goes to the mb disconnected from cn201, and have jumpered that pin with DIMM (13,14) using a 1k resistor, and the tv appears to function just fine, but with a slight high pitch whine from the inverters that cant be heard unless your right there with the back off
            Last edited by triplefour; 06-02-2016, 03:16 PM.
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            • dick_barton
              Badcaps Legend
              • Aug 2015
              • 6643
              • Wales

              #7
              Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

              Originally posted by triplefour
              i listed the psu in the first post:
              0500-0407-0700
              http://www.shopjimmy.com/vizio-0500-...upply-unit.htm

              and the motherboard is this one:
              0171-2272-3253
              http://www.shopjimmy.com/vizio-3647-...for-e470vl.htm

              i did some more testing last night and i found that when i disconnected the wire from lamp going to the PSU, then i do read 2.5v from the MB. somehow when it is connected though, it all goes to 0. does this mean some kind of short to ground? but why then does it not short to ground the DIM voltage when i jumper those 2? if its the circuit on the psu connected to the lamp pin...

              The problem is that lots of Forum users outside of the USA cannot access Shopjimmy having their IP address blocked by Shopjimmy. So the link is useless to many however attaching the pictures is far more useful.
              Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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              • triplefour
                Badcaps Legend
                • May 2014
                • 1747
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                ahh ok gimme a minute to "borrow" the pics from sj
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                • vinceroger69
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 6714
                  • uk

                  #9
                  Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                  Originally posted by Caleb
                  Common trouble on this set is u33 on main, you can test and verify it has input voltage and see if it is outputting the 2.5v for the backlights to turn on
                  did you test the voltages on this regulator with the tv connected as it should be used.

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                  • triplefour
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                    • May 2014
                    • 1747
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                    no way i could ever take pictures these good with what i have
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                    • triplefour
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • May 2014
                      • 1747
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                      havent tested u33 yet. how do i know what v to expect on what pins? datasheet?
                      but i did say that i disconnected the LAMP pin wire (13 that was at 0v when connected to the psu) and then i was able to see 2.5v at the MB connector with the tv running normally (had to jump DIM and LAMP on the psu side tho)...so i dont think its MB issue at this point
                      Last edited by triplefour; 06-02-2016, 03:42 PM.
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                      • triplefour
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                        • May 2014
                        • 1747
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                        what would be a good way to supply externally 2.5v to a given pin? how many amps do these signals expect? still a little shaky on ohms law type stuff :/ i did aquire some tools though recently and have been attempting to learn. i have this thing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Ad...8AAOSwbwlXCz3G
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                        Last edited by triplefour; 06-02-2016, 03:48 PM.
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                        • dick_barton
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                          • Aug 2015
                          • 6643
                          • Wales

                          #13
                          Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                          What is U33 part number as written on the top of it?
                          Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                          • vinceroger69
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                            • Mar 2012
                            • 6714
                            • uk

                            #14
                            Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                            u33 part number and data sheet in this thread post 4
                            https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33463
                            although after reading the whole thread i dont think u33 will be your issue as that set didnt turn on etc.
                            Last edited by vinceroger69; 06-02-2016, 04:03 PM.

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                            • triplefour
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                              • May 2014
                              • 1747
                              • USA

                              #15
                              Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                              4953gm
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                              • dick_barton
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                                • Aug 2015
                                • 6643
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                                #16
                                Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                                Originally posted by vinceroger69
                                u33 part number and data sheet in this thread post 4
                                https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33463
                                although after reading the whole thread i dont think u33 will be your issue as that set didnt turn on etc.
                                Thanks for the link.
                                Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                                • triplefour
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                                  • May 2014
                                  • 1747
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                                  yeah i read through that post too. i should have remembered the datasheet was there...
                                  edit: no i actually didnt read that post, as i only read posts that were e470vl and were about backlight issues
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                                  • dick_barton
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                                    • Aug 2015
                                    • 6643
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                                    To test put you meter on dc volts and black lead to chassis. Using the red lead report the voltage given on pins 1 to 8 as shown.
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                                    • budm
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                                      • Feb 2010
                                      • 40746
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                                      Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                                      "so just to clarify: i have the lamp pin wire that goes to the mb disconnected from cn201, and have jumpered that pin with DIMM (13,14) using a 1k resistor"
                                      So let me get this correctly, right now the LAMP error signal wire is no loger connected to the MB board and you also have a resistor between the 'LAMP wire and the DIM wire, but is the DIM also not connected back to the MB? or it is connected to the 5VSTBY through a resistor?
                                      Never stop learning
                                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                      • triplefour
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                                        • May 2014
                                        • 1747
                                        • USA

                                        #20
                                        Re: Vizio e470vl has 2 seconds to black

                                        DIM is still connected to the MB, i only pulled out one wire from the connector. the one for pin 13, LAMP
                                        and i have a 1k resistor jumping DIM and LAMP together at cn201
                                        Don't fear the repair...

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