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    Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

    So, this one turned up on the bench. Power light flashes, but the set won't power up. It's stuck in standby. Now, I would have thought that the main board had corrupted firmware. But, somewhat surprisingly that was not the case.

    There are two faults: the main issue is the 17IPS19-4 power supply 24V isn't coming up, which is due to a FET and diode in the boost converter being shorted. Naively testing the commonly failed diodes (on the output) would lead you to suspect the diodes were shorted - but they aren't. Surprisingly, it's the diode on the output of the boost converter which is short. But, this alone wouln't account for the short on the 24V output - it would just prevent the LED strips working, the TV should still otherwise "work".

    What's happened is this diode being short appears to have damaged the main boost FET for the boost stage (this is all on the secondary so no blown fuses or damage to the primary.) The boost stage takes the ~24V and boosts it to about 60-70V for the LED strip. This is shorted, preventing the 24V rail coming up, and the main board detects this fault and shuts down.

    So, removed the FET and diode and sure enough now the TV turns on, and you can see a (non-backlit) image on the screen using a torch. So the set appears to only have a PSU fault. I will replace the FET and diode and see if the problem is fixed.

    The only major concern I have is if that LED driver IC has been damaged (TPS61199); the FET has around 130 ohm gate-drain and gate-source (with 5 ohms drain-source) so I *think* it's going to be OK. I ohmed out the gate drive to Vcc and ground and it's about 2k to each so it doesn't look shorted. The parts are cheap so I'll just try it and see what it does. Worst case, the FET blows up again, but it's not expensive.

    These power supplies, whilst cheaply made with the cheapest off the shelf components, don't look TOO bad, especially when you compare them to a PW25-4.... frankly, I'd take a million of these over a single more PW25-4...!

    It's kinda weird jumping from a 9G KURO to the cheapest of the cheapest Vestel LED models. And the terrible thing is, Pioneer are now whoring their name out to dodgy OEMs... and there's talk of a Pioneer LED set based on a Vestel chassis...
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    Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

    I just recapped two 17pw26-4 that had blown samxons and the one on the right had a blown diode that was causing the 24v not to come up, thanks for the info Tom.
    Dont ask why im wasting good caps on these just dont have any cheap caps in stock, caps used panasonic, rubycon, chemicon and nichicon.
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      #3
      Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

      Yeah, for some reason shorted diodes are a real problem with Vestel. Not complaining about an easy fix. But a 2014 TV, man, I feel sorry for the owners, lost the receipt, just a cheap £159 TV from ASDA.
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        Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

        Originally posted by tom66 View Post
        Yeah, for some reason shorted diodes are a real problem with Vestel. Not complaining about an easy fix. But a 2014 TV, man, I feel sorry for the owners, lost the receipt, just a cheap £159 TV from ASDA.
        Vestel are great at blowing diodes, the newer led ones are the worst they make the 17pw20 look well built such a shame so many people will have brought these junks becuase of the reduced prices.
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          Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

          I'll check the PIV on these diodes - but I suspect it's a thermal thing going on here - had a similar fault on some boxes at work (can't talk much about it, but affected thousands due to counterfeit diodes reaching our supply chain.) Hope LED backlight is OK on this panel.
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            #6
            Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

            Originally posted by tom66 View Post
            I'll check the PIV on these diodes - but I suspect it's a thermal thing going on here - had a similar fault on some boxes at work (can't talk much about it, but affected thousands due to counterfeit diodes reaching our supply chain.) Hope LED backlight is OK on this panel.
            Yeah Im just saving up for a os scope so I can check things like that
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              Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

              Get a DS1054Z, under £300 now, absolute bargain for what it is.
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                #8
                Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

                Originally posted by tom66 View Post
                Get a DS1054Z, under £300 now, absolute bargain for what it is.
                Alright will look into it cheers mon
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                  Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

                  On the subject of vestel got one on the way to me now, think its a pw26 hoping just caps by the sounds of it.
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                    #10
                    Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

                    TV is fixed.

                    So, the Vestel schematic is wrong again (wow, what a shock!) They suggest using a 30V MOSFET (STD17NF03)... but after blowing up two FETs I realised that obviously, a 30V FET in a circuit with a 65V OVP threshold would not work. I think it's another case of the Vestel CAD engineer being too lazy to spec in the right FET, publishing the schematic and then changing it before final production.

                    I found a compatible FET on a scrap Sharp inverter (2SK3706) and was able to fix the TV. This FET is 80V rated so should be OK. The LED strip voltage is 56V in this nameless panel (can't find any info on it) and it has four terminations into the TPS61199 IC.

                    Why do people buy these shitty £160 TVs? And then why do they wonder why they die?

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                      #11
                      Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

                      just see your video, was you a screw short when puting it back together ? did you see the screw stuck in the speaker, lol.

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                        #12
                        Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

                        Just seen your yt video good stuff, the picture does look like crap but people will snatch it up becuase of its smart features lol, you sell that I would say you could get £120-£140 on that if it has stand and remote
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                          Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

                          Originally posted by finntricky View Post
                          just see your video, was you a screw short when puting it back together ? did you see the screw stuck in the speaker, lol.
                          LOL yeah I saw that afterwards, it isn't causing the terrible sound quality though...
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                            Originally posted by ReeceyBurger123 View Post
                            Just seen your yt video good stuff, the picture does look like crap but people will snatch it up becuase of its smart features lol, you sell that I would say you could get £120-£140 on that if it has stand and remote
                            I have both but it's not a smart set just a basic 720p LED so I'll try around £110 and see if I get any offers. You can get them new for £150 so I'm asking a lot.
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                              #15
                              Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

                              Originally posted by tom66 View Post
                              I have both but it's not a smart set just a basic 720p LED so I'll try around £110 and see if I get any offers. You can get them new for £150 so I'm asking a lot.
                              Ahh right people are going crazy for these so called smart tvs, the ones I have had in sold almost with in a day after repair for asking price, but £110 is a good price people will have it for that
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                                I don't understand the obsession behind smart TVs. Just buy a Chromecast or other smart TV box. The TV should be dumb, just good at displaying a picture. Keep the TV for as long as the picture quality is good, and upgrade the smart box/stick as necessary if you require better features.

                                A friend recently bought a smart TV (a crap Vestel one at that) because the guy at the store said he needed it to work with a Chromecast. Not sure if genuinely stupid or deliberately dishonest.
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                                  Re: Polaroid P32LED13 stuck in standby

                                  Originally posted by tom66 View Post
                                  I don't understand the obsession behind smart TVs. Just buy a Chromecast or other smart TV box. The TV should be dumb, just good at displaying a picture. Keep the TV for as long as the picture quality is good, and upgrade the smart box/stick as necessary if you require better features.

                                  A friend recently bought a smart TV (a crap Vestel one at that) because the guy at the store said he needed it to work with a Chromecast. Not sure if genuinely stupid or deliberately dishonest.
                                  Its because people simply dont understand and see the words smart and led and fall for the trap of modern life tech that really isn't remarkable a all.
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                                    TOM, i wish you luck asking £110, all my 32's i try and knock out at around £70 to £80, depends what make, but never get what im asking, but as long as i can make £25 or more im happy,

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                                      #19
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                                      I expect £100 tbh. I can still sell Samsung 32" for £120 even if 5 years old. But I sell with a warranty which might help.
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                                        Originally posted by finntricky View Post
                                        TOM, i wish you luck asking £110, all my 32's i try and knock out at around £70 to £80, depends what make, but never get what im asking, but as long as i can make £25 or more im happy,
                                        Why do you doubt that he cant get £110 its an ultra slim led tv people as I said before snatch them up, I bet that he can get over £100
                                        I normally sell fully working 32" ranging from £80 lowest to £130 highest no offers.
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