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    VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

    Hi guys! You gentlemen helped me with a monitor a while ago, I was hoping that you might be willing to lend your wisdom one more time.

    I picked up a non-working VisionQuest LVQ40HLA recently. When plugged in the red light comes on as normal. When I press the power button nothing happens. Press again, nothing. A third time, the light turns green and the backlights come on and stay on for five or ten minutes, nothing on screen. As long as it hasn't been unplugged it'll turn on and off with one press afterwards. Then things get weird...

    I opened it up which was a battle, the dang thing had two rubber strips glued between the panel and the back plastic! Glue! I know it's a cheap TV but c'mon! Anyway, I found several bad caps on the power supply and replaced them. No change, still a black, backlit screen after the third press. So I took off the mainboard to check the larger caps, they looked like they *might* be bad. I checked them on the board with my Atlas ESR meter and they checked out fine so I didn't bother to replace them. I put it back together to check some voltages and what do you know, it came to life. Blue screen, OSD, etc.. It's alive!

    I hooked up my old SNES as a video and audio source and sure enough, it was alive. However, the colours were a little off... It's hard to describe, but it seemed like some random blue mixed in here and there where it shouldn't be, maybe the reds were a bit off, etc... I wish I had taken a picture. So I figured I'd remove the mainboard again and look for cracked solder joints, probably on the connectors. I checked and found none. Upon reassembly again, the screen would turn on but only the blue edge would come on right away, maybe an inch all around. The middle would come on a few seconds later and the colours were still off. I didn't notice if it came alive right away or after the third press.

    I then decided to reseat all of the mainboard connectors again, there must be something loose. This time I'm back to square one. Backlight only after three attempts, no picture. I *think* there's audio but I can't be positive, I heard a little static when I was on cable but now I'm not sure which input it's on. I've reseated everything half a dozen times with no improvement.

    I did take voltage readings from the power supply somewhere along the line and I think they were all in spec, I can get some actual numbers if it helps. I should also point out that it's very chilly in my workshop so I doubt it's something overheating immediately.

    What a pain in the butt set to work on... For a while I didn't think it even HAD a t-con board until I really tore it down.

    So, any suggestions would be fantastic. My apologies if the pics aren't good enough, I can try for better lighting if it's an issue. Thanks!
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    #2
    Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

    Any ideas, guys? This thing is apart on the floor in my shop. ;^)

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      #3
      Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

      Backlights but no pictures on the screen? Then check and see if you do have either 5V or 12V on both ends of the SMD fuse of the T-CON board.
      Never stop learning
      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

      Inverter testing using old CFL:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

      TV Factory reset codes listing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        #4
        Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

        I can try, bit the t-con board is pretty buried and inaccessible when everything is hooked up. And it has been somewhat intermittent, although more off than on.

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          #5
          Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

          Then it can be that it LVDS connector with bad contact on the T-CON side or on the main board side, so yo have to get to it otherwise you will never know for sure.
          Never stop learning
          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

          Inverter testing using old CFL:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

          TV Factory reset codes listing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            #6
            Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

            I have yet to check for power at the t-con board, I figured it might be a good idea to take some readings on the power supply before I stripped the set down again.

            Checks were done with the power off but plugged in, then with the power on, backlights lit, but no picture on screen. I left off the grounds because they're all zero, as expected.

            _________Off_____On
            +24v______0____24.5v
            +24v______0____24.5v
            +24v______0____24.5v
            +24v______0____24.5v
            +12v______0____12.42v
            +12v______0____12.42v
            +5VSB____5.28v__5.26v
            STB+5V___.07v___4.15v
            STB+5V___.17v___5.26v
            STB+5V___.17v___5.26v

            That first "STB+5V" looks odd to me, it's low. Could it be a power supply issue after all? I followed that lead and it goes to a pin on the mainboard labelled "SW". Switch? *shrug*
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              #7
              Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

              They are fine.
              You looking the label wrong.
              It is STB not STB+5V.
              Those pins after the STB pin is +5V (switched +5V).
              STB pin is the PS_ON (POWER SUPPLY ON) pin which receives the ON command signal from the main board to turn on the +5V (SWITCHED), +24V (SWITCHED), and +12V (SWITHCED).
              STB: <1V = OFF, >2.5V = ON.
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                #8
                Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                Ah shoot, you're right... Guess I'm still hoping for an easy fix. I'll check the fuse on the t-con board.

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                  #9
                  Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                  11.7v on either side of the SMD fuse on the t-con board. It's getting power... Time to bake my t-con? lol

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                    #10
                    Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                    throw the whole tv in a pizza oven, cook on high for 24 hours.

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                      #11
                      Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                      theres a possibility the bad caps screwed up your firmware.

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                        #12
                        Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                        I would try having just one cable between the LCD panel and the T-CON board connected one at at time to see what you get on the screen.
                        Never stop learning
                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                          #13
                          Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                          You mean the two flat cables from the t-con board to the panel? I can disconnect one at a time and see what happens, but if the panel is doing nothing with both connected...

                          The set did come to life a few times after doing the caps before post #1 but that was a couple of weeks ago now. Nothing since then aside from the backlights and all I've really done is removed and reinstalled things.

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                            #14
                            Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                            "You mean the two flat cables from the t-con board to the panel? I can disconnect one at a time and see what happens, but if the panel is doing nothing with both connected..."

                            If part of the panel is bad (such as bad TFT driver ICs, MLCC, etc.), it will load down the switching power supplies on the T-CON.
                            But then again, you do not have to do what I suggest.
                            Last edited by budm; 02-08-2015, 11:49 PM.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                              #15
                              Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                              I'm happy to try anything you suggest. :^) Just trying to educate myself in the process.

                              I tried with each of the cables to the panel disconnected, one at a time. No change in behaviour at all. Still working backlights with nothing on screen.

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                                #16
                                Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                                Any more suggestions? :-)

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                                  #17
                                  Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                                  I would try T-CON board next.
                                  Never stop learning
                                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    #18
                                    Re: VisionQuest LVQ40HLA black screen, backlights work

                                    Update:

                                    I did some searching and couldn't come up with an identical t-con board. Nothing to lose I thought, so I bought some no-clean liquid flux and baked the board. Still lying face down on the ground but propped up enough that I could peek under it, I hooked the board back up and what do you know, a nice pretty blue screen. I hooked up my SNES and sure enough, it was alive again!

                                    So I took the steel components to work and cut clearance holes for a heatsink over the Altera chip with my yag laser. I also moved the power supply to the middle of the chassis since it sat directly over the t-con board. I rigged it back together again and awesome, still works! I then went and screwed the chassis back together, with the new heatsink poking out the back.

                                    I picked it up, slid it back into it's stand crossed my fingers and turned it on. It greeted me with exactly 3/4 of a screen. *sigh* What? Blue screen as it should be, with the second vertical quarter (from the left) bright white. I brought up the menu and it looks great where the background is blue, but the colours are off where the screen is white. I was surprised there was a display at all in the white quarter. Same thing with the SNES: Colours are off in that one slice. A normally black screen has a yellow band, blue has a white band, etc...

                                    I have since laid it back down on the floor and loosened everything back off the way it was when I first reinstalled the t-con board. No dice, still 1/4 white. I've been playing with the ribbons to the panel a little (loosening, pressing, repositioning, etc..) but never to blue in that area. I've tried gently squeezing where the ribbons are bonded to the panel; zero reaction.

                                    So, still a bad t-con board or a bad panel?

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