Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

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  • johnbinsc
    Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 24
    • USA

    #1

    Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

    Hi all,
    Just learned something that may be helpful to others and didn't see it discussed here before so...

    I recently repaired a BN44-00192A power board from a Samsung LNT3253HX/XAA (this board and it's similar brethren are common to many smaller Samsung LCD TVs).

    After correcting the conductive/burnt glue that was the main problem, and replacing all the large electrolytic caps on the cold side (a couple were bulging/obviously bad), the power supply and the TV were working fine again, all voltages were within spec, it started up every time, etc. However there was an annoying whistling sound coming from the power supply when the TV was on that was just loud enough to be disturbing.

    I used an app on my iPhone called "iAnalyzer Lite" to narrow down the origin of the whistle to the 13/12/5 V output area on the "upper right" of the board (in the vicinity of LM851, the toroidal inductor) and to identify the frequency as about 3500Hz. I then used my O'scope to look for the corresponding ripple, and found it on the 5.3V output, about 100mV pp, at 3.5kHz.

    I had already replaced CM861, the 1000uF filter cap on the 5.3V output, so I didn't think that was likely to be the problem, and decided to look back at the schematic (downloaded from some thread in this forum) for other likely culprits.

    On the schematic, RM864, which is part of the feedback loop for the MC33167 single chip DC-DC converter, has a value of 15k. (Notably, in the schematic pdf file, RM864 is circled in red as a notation, but without any further explanation.) On two other good working BN44-00192B power boards I have here, that resistor is indeed a 15k. But on the BN44-00192A board that was whistling, RM864 had a value of only 2.7k. I looked at the spec sheet for the MC33167, and the sample circuits had even higher values for that feedback resistor.

    So to make a long story short, I swapped out RM864 (a surface mount resistor on the solder side) for an 18k resistor I scavenged and the whistle is gone.

    So I am guessing that the value of RM864 was one of the things that changed going from the "A" to the "B" version of this board, and that the larger value is needed to keep the feedback loop stable on the 5.3V supply as the components age. Note also that the additional ripple on the 5.3V supply might also be in part responsible for the premature failure of CM861, which otherwise doesn't see much ripple.

    I hope this helps someone someday.

    And I recommend you check out the "iAnalyzer Lite" app. If you are nerdy enough to be reading this post, you will probably have fun with a real time audio spectrum analyzer. (And no, I have no connection whatsoever to the author/publisher of that app. I just thought it was cool and well done.)

    John
    Last edited by johnbinsc; 08-24-2014, 03:40 PM. Reason: minor error
  • Andrew F. Ali
    Badcaps Legend
    • Jan 2014
    • 2450
    • Trinidad & Tobago

    #2
    Re: Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

    Thanks. This may be of help.

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    • bullwinkle
      Senior Member
      • May 2009
      • 107
      • Canada

      #3
      Re: Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

      nice info

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      • Kram
        New Member
        • Aug 2015
        • 1
        • USA

        #4
        Re: Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

        Hello - So glad to have found this thread, as I have the same problem on the same board. As an ordinary, slightly techie consumer, I'm not very experienced with this stuff, but I am able to find and solder parts. I don't see any caps that look obviously blown, to my untrained eye. I do see the CM861 area, and on the solder side I do see RM864 with 272 printed on it.

        I've ordered a kit from Amazon: (search for "Green Products# WPW33780" and you can see what's included). I'm hoping to solve the high pitched squeal noise. Should I get a replacement for the RM864? If so, what specifically am I looking to buy?

        Thanks for your help!

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        • angel-boy
          Badcaps Veteran
          • Jan 2013
          • 550
          • Romania

          #5
          Re: Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

          i have a problem with this power source, the led is fast flashing but no start , change cm860, cm852 ,rm801 . cm810 , same problem .

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          • niblettr
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2015
            • 98
            • UK

            #6
            Re: Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

            Interesting stuff. Why would the values have to have been changed from the design you think? Do you think maybe the capacitor you replaced has a higher spec (lower ESR) and the design required the capacitor to have more ERS on purpose? Just guessing..

            Designing something using higher esr capacitors has its benefits (cost)

            Wonder if there is an android version of this app.

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            • angel-boy
              Badcaps Veteran
              • Jan 2013
              • 550
              • Romania

              #7
              Re: Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

              did you see my posts ? you think i dont know how to change a capacitor ?

              your post is no help for me , tell me about my problem , and how to make it work

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              • ReeceyBurger123
                Never Give Up !
                • May 2014
                • 7325
                • Britain

                #8
                Re: Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

                Great stuff and great diagnoses thank you
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                • niblettr
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2015
                  • 98
                  • UK

                  #9
                  Re: Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

                  Originally posted by angel-boy
                  did you see my posts ? you think I don't know how to change a capacitor ?

                  your post is no help for me , tell me about my problem , and how to make it work
                  WOW, my response is clearly not meant for you but the meant for the OP.
                  Perhaps create your own thread asking for help? (maybe there will be no confusion then?)

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                  • Nemo1956
                    New Member
                    • Jan 2017
                    • 5
                    • Thailand

                    #10
                    Re: Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

                    Can anyone help me. I have one of these power supplies in a TV that died. I have found the a diode (Marked DZM854). Can anyone let me what this is. I think it's the 24 volt zener. But I can't ID it. Or can anyone let me have a copy of the circuit schematic for this power supply.
                    Thanks
                    Nemo

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                    • jetadm123
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 2169

                      #11
                      Re: Samsung BN44-00192A power board whistling SOLVED

                      Should be 27v 1/2w zener. Do a search on this site for the schematic.

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