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  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
    • USA

    #1

    Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

    This 2008 Samsung 46" came in yesterday. Bad caps, of course.
    More pictures here:
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/bud...?sort=3&page=1
    So far no tab bond problem showing up yet either.
    Attached Files
    Never stop learning
    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

    TV Factory reset codes listing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809
  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #2
    Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

    Nice. I've had the LE40A656 with bad caps, and I stuck it in the front room at parents house... still going fine, no tab bond issue either.
    Did you replace all the caps? I did all on mine with Panasonic FR and FC.
    Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
    For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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    • budm
      Badcaps Legend
      • Feb 2010
      • 40746
      • USA

      #3
      Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

      Yes, I replaced the 2 bad one first to see if I can get the backlights to come on first to make sure it does not have cracked screen, I replace the set of caps after the verification.
      Never stop learning
      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

      Inverter testing using old CFL:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

      TV Factory reset codes listing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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      • tom66
        EVs Rule
        • Apr 2011
        • 32560
        • UK

        #4
        Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

        I'd imagine you could still pull the power board cable to do the backlight check, even if caps are bad? After all inverter is primary side. Not sure how dependent it is on the power supply working OK, or if this model supports that test.
        Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
        For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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        • budm
          Badcaps Legend
          • Feb 2010
          • 40746
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

          That is what I did first but that did not work, It is the bad caps in the power supply (stby ps) is not supplying the pull up voltage to turn the PS_ON and the BL_ON signal, after new caps installed the backlights come out with the cable disconnected between the power supply and the main board.
          When I first turn on the TV before repairing, it was going on and off with Samsung chime, stuck in that mode.
          Last edited by budm; 09-01-2013, 02:46 PM.
          Never stop learning
          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

          Inverter testing using old CFL:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

          TV Factory reset codes listing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          • tom66
            EVs Rule
            • Apr 2011
            • 32560
            • UK

            #6
            Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

            Or maybe inverter control circuit runs off 13V rail. Not sure if it is separate rail or shared.
            I see Samsung did not bother with fan for cooling the motion FRC on t-con on this model. The t-con on one I did failed even with that fan blowing air over it.
            Last edited by tom66; 09-01-2013, 02:48 PM.
            Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
            For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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            • tibimakai
              Badcaps Legend
              • Jan 2012
              • 3680
              • USA

              #7
              Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

              I have the same exact TV and after replacing all the capacitors(except the two large ones), it's working for a while and then the backlight shuts down, but everything else it's still working.

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              • tom66
                EVs Rule
                • Apr 2011
                • 32560
                • UK

                #8
                Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

                You should probably start a thread if you haven't already.
                Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                • tibimakai
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 3680
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

                  I have one already.

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                  • budm
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 40746
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

                    Look at the FB and LD signal.
                    LD = 10~12V
                    FB = 0 V
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                    Comment

                    • tibimakai
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 3680
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

                      I will look for that. Thanks. It's so hot in the garage, that it may take a while until I will get back.
                      Here is my thread:
                      https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...hlight=samsung
                      I think that it's not a good idea to run the TV without the back metal cover. I keep a fan over those boards while I'm waiting for the backlights to turn off.
                      Because of the heat, I slowed down on TV repair and trying to repair Kenwood double din units, with not much success. I'm not getting any help in the audio forum.
                      Last edited by tibimakai; 09-01-2013, 07:09 PM.

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                      • tibimakai
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 3680
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

                        Actually, I have that info already in my other thread, post #11.

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                        • tom66
                          EVs Rule
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 32560
                          • UK

                          #13
                          Re: Samsung LN46A650A1F easy fix

                          The metal cover is only for EMI. i.e. you could annoy the HAMs by leaving it off, but it won't affect the TV's operation.
                          Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                          For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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