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    LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

    Hi to everyone, this will be my first post.. my name is Steve and I live in Hampshire, UK and I have been lurking for a few days and reading lots about my possible problem and its solution but I am a little doubtful as to the actual failure point of my 7 year old TV.

    It is probably worth mentioning that about 5 years ago (ish) it did suffer from sparkles (red) at the top and bottom of my TV and after having read about it on the net, I adjusted one of the two pots on the board BUT I used the picture quality as a basis for the setting NOT any voltage reading as that was not mentioned at the time. This may have resulted in the wrong voltage settings which in turn may have caused my current problem.

    So, to my current problem ... from the top, I turned the TV on two days ago and the picture was distorted and flickering for about 15-20 seconds, I thought it was the broadband/cable signal so changed over channels and still had the same problem. About 5 seconds later the picture went off completely but the sound remained. There WAS NO POPPING sound or other symptom. I tried to bring up one of the menu pages but to no avail. I concluded that the picture generation function of the TV was broken.

    I then spent about two hours on the net reading various similar stories before deciding to at least have a think/go at repairing it myself.

    I removed the back of the set then checked the two T4 fuses on the YSUS - one had blown. I got a replacement 3.5 amp fuse (all I could get on a late Friday night) and installed it and tried again... The TV powered on (no picture though) and I noticed about 4 led indicators lit on the main board, about 2-3 seconds later there was an arcing type sound for a few seconds then a click (?relay?), the TV turned itself off and all but one of the led indicators dimmed until they were out completely. I turned the TV back on again and the same thing happened but without the arcing sound. The fuses are still (all) intact. I did not leave the TV on long enough to see if it would loop back on as some people experienced because each time I pushed the power button off.

    At this point I did a bit more research on the net and read about cap problems on the Power Board... I checked mine and sure enough all 9, 3200 x 10V caps are bulging and two or three are also showing signs of leakage at the top.

    My questions are... 1, do you think its just the caps that are responsible or is there likely to be a problem on the YSUS too?

    and 2, is there a definitive way to find out, can the YSUS be checked out via fault finding (unplugging) or do I have to replace the caps first then see what happens?

    I must point out that I have only a little experience with a soldering iron and despite my use of terms such as caps and YSUS, I only picked these terms up from reading over the last two days or so. Also I have no experience of removing caps but if necessary I will get an old pc board and practice until I feel confident but what concerns me is if the IC18 needs replacing on the YSUS then that currently seems to be a bigger challenge as it all looks a lot tighter spaced. Also, there are warnings on at least a couple of sites which suggest the IC18 is a bit of a b*gger to change out. I am considering purchasing a soldering station as this would seem to have more control than my current model. I do have a modest digital multimeter and can follow clear instructions.

    I have searched for a replacement YSUS board but they seem to be in short supply apart from used ones which may also be on their way out (seems to be a common fault on Plasma TVs)

    I have currently removed the main power board from the set so I can either repair it myself or send it off if needed. I suspect there is probably a little more fault finding to do first though?

    Thanks for any help or suggestions which may be offered

    Steviebilbo

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    Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

    These TVs often have bulging caps but they are unrelated. Will only cause problems in a few more months.

    The fault is most likely on the Y-sus which requires IPM replacement.
    Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
    For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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      #3
      Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

      Hi yes it sounds like the IPM on the Y sus,was it the fuse on the left of the two(Vs) just to make sure pull the top plug from the Y sus to the power board, and the set should come out of standby when turned on . Regarding replacing the IPM on the board look on ebay there is a firm in london that will repair your board for you, S/h boards will cost about the same if not more than the repair, and if you have not got the right tools forget it.

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        #4
        Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

        Thanks for the prompt response, so how would you conclude the caps 'will only cause problems in few more months'?

        What if they have been bulging for years particularly if some of them are already showing signs of leakage - what difference will a few more months make and what is likely to be the manifestation of this 'problem' when it does occur?

        Is the IPM, Hybrid and IC18 all the same component?

        thanks again for your input

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          Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

          Thanks Flocko, was reading your exploits on the site and what you say makes good sense! Is the service you mention LCD projector s ? if not can you tell me who you mean?

          edit, meant to say I cant recall which fuse but I will reopen the set and check and do the fault finding you suggested...

          Thanks for your response

          Steve B

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            #6
            Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

            Hi Steve Yes the very same i have to say that i have not had any work done by them but have had dealings with them for parts and the like. I have two of these sets, one now fully working and one with a faulty Y Sus it works but is not right,i also got a full set of boards from a broken screen set and the only board that was defective was the Y Sus just my luck.Tom is right about the power board the caps that are bulging will need to be replaced but that is not a hard job to do and i dont think is your problem, the four leds on the main should light up so thats good Flocko

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              #7
              Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

              Ok, cheers Flocko, I will take another look at it today and unplug the Y board - is there anything I should look for in particular? You said it should come out of standby but I seem to recall its doing that already but only for a few seconds before tripping off again. Are you suggesting that it should stay powered on (out of standby) and not trip if the YSUS is disconnected?

              edit - thereby proving the YSUS is at fault?

              thanks again ;-)

              Steve B
              Last edited by steviebilbo; 04-22-2013, 04:35 AM.

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                #8
                Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                Hi Steve With the Y Sus disconnected the set should stay on if the board is faulty, when the IPM fails it shorts the Vs to ground and blows the fuse and if you then replace the fuse the power board sees the shorted Vs and shuts it down back to standby and will repeat this every time you power it on, But with bulging cap i would not do this to much or you will do damage to the power board. Flocko

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                  #9
                  Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                  Flocko, just carried out that ff check and sure enough the set stays powered up if the YSUS is unplugged. I have also just spoken to Raj at the service we spoke of and he is going to repair both boards; YSUS for £64.99 and Power for £20.00 including all parts, so about £100 with postage. Seems cheaper than a new telly!

                  thanks again for your help...

                  Steve B

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                    #10
                    Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                    You can do the power board yourself, with less than £10 of caps, if you like.
                    £65 aint too bad for replacing an IPM... the IPM alone is £30 and replacing it is NOT EASY...
                    Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                    For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                      #11
                      Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                      Hi Steve yes i can confirm it is no easy job its not putting the new one on thats the problem,its getting the old one off the board without damage to the board thats the problem,As my wife says best to get a man in to do a proper job. But as i said before you can do the caps on the power board and save on postage,postage costs have just gone up and the power board alone would be £7+ each way and the cap to repair it no more than £5 Flocko

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                        #12
                        Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                        As Tom says you can do the recap, with the cost of postage just going up you are looking at £7+ each way for the power board alone

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                          #13
                          Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                          Cheers Tom and Flocko, the only thing that puts me off is if I fork out for the expensive repair and then screw up the power board I am up Sh*t creek with no paddle...

                          I realise I could save the tenner labour and 14 quid postage but what cost if the Power board then gets screwed... methinks I will practice on some old circuit board first then if this problem arises in the future then I can/might have a go.

                          I have just had a second look at the power board's underside and identified all the contacts that need desoldering.

                          The big problem is, I am not really sure whether some of the +ve contacts on some of the caps are touching the solder tracks on the board or not. That would lead (no pun intended) me to think I could get it wrong accidentally.

                          It would seem that none of the -ve pins are in contact with anything?

                          Any suggestions? Discretion is the better part of valour is it not?

                          Thanks again!

                          Steve B

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                            #14
                            Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                            Well Steve if you want to try and replace the caps yourself have a good look at the board from the component side,you will see screen printed on the board the way round the caps have to go you can make a note of each one as you go and as i am thinking that most will be 3300uF 10v you can not make much of a cock of it.but if feel you need to get the power board in the post to them and let them do it,if you go with the diy please get good caps to replace the bulged ones Flocko

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                              #15
                              Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                              Aye Flocko, got all that and you're right they are all 3300 x 10 volts and I was already happy with the ID, values, polarity and stuff but I didn't feel confident that I could tell if the +ve pin solder was supposed to contact the solder traces on the underside of the board or not. Some seemed to but others didn't? My readers (glasses) didn't fill me with enough confidence and I don't have a bench magnifier (yet).


                              Anyways, they are both in the post now and the postal difference was only 2 quid ! result... just need to see which caps the repair guy is using.

                              thanks again for your input

                              Steve B

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                                #16
                                Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                                Please let us know how the repairs turn out as a little feedback could help others with the same problem.Also you will need to reset voltages on power and Ysus boards to the panel sticker after refitting,

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                                  #17
                                  Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                                  Roger D and I will make sure I can do that BEFORE I actually attempt it, I have seen the instructions on this site somewhere. The panel sticker (I think) says 186 (or was it 197) and 5.2 but cant recall, its all back together on the wall to cover up the hanger iaw forewoman's instructions ;-)

                                  If I get stuck I will post in this thread...

                                  Cheers

                                  Steve B

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                                    #18
                                    Re: LG 42PC1D - bad Caps or YSUS?

                                    Ok, so the YSUS and Power board came back yesterday, I fitted them today and did the voltage check and the VS was 188 (186 on sticker) and VA was 62 (60). Adjusted both and the picture is fine no sparkles great picture and back to normal. I can take the 18" back up to the bedroom now!

                                    Thanks to flocko and Tom66 for their input and advice, much appreciated.

                                    If you are reading this as a result of having the same problem and need someone to solve it for you cheaper than the £95 plus £20 postage I paid, then pm me and I will put you in touch with a guy who offered me help albeit unfortunately after I had already sent mine off somewhere else.

                                    He is currently (May 2013) charging £50 for YSUS and £20 for PSU including return postage for exchange boards that he has already repaired and soak tested etc.

                                    Cheers!

                                    Steve B

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