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  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #81
    Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

    Note that they might not be 8A! But for a 42", that is about right.

    F500mA/32V or F630mA/125V etc are all valid
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    • tomstr
      Tommy
      • Jun 2010
      • 147
      • Usa

      #82
      Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

      Originally posted by tom66
      Please don't type in all caps -- it's quite hard to read.

      Anyway, I know some Delta power supplies of this generation used fuses on the output. I have seen a few of them. Both in Philips LCD TVs.

      It would be very rare for a power supply to fail to produce 24V, but still be able to produce the 12V, etc.

      Fuses will be marked like "F8A/32V" near them; can you see any?
      Does the pink circuit look like a fuse?
      Attached Files

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      • tomstr
        Tommy
        • Jun 2010
        • 147
        • Usa

        #83
        Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

        Originally posted by tom66
        Note that they might not be 8A! But for a 42", that is about right.

        F500mA/32V or F630mA/125V etc are all valid
        I don't understand your answer?is it the pink resistor with the fu84k stamped on it?

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        • tom66
          EVs Rule
          • Apr 2011
          • 32560
          • UK

          #84
          Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

          I was just providing examples of what the fuses would likely have near them on or on them.
          That component is likely not a fuse. It is a safety resistor.
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          • selldoor
            Slow Learner
            • Dec 2010
            • 7870

            #85
            Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

            The fuses may be under the heatsinks - not logical but possible

            Can you post an in focus well lit (No Flash) picture of this half of the board.
            Perhaps we can trace back from the 24v pin
            Attached Files
            Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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            • tomstr
              Tommy
              • Jun 2010
              • 147
              • Usa

              #86
              Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

              Ok hold on

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              • tomstr
                Tommy
                • Jun 2010
                • 147
                • Usa

                #87
                Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                Originally posted by selldoor
                The fuses may be under the heatsinks - not logical but possible

                Can you post an in focus well lit (No Flash) picture of this half of the board.
                Perhaps we can trace back from the 24v pin
                Try this
                Attached Files

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                • tomstr
                  Tommy
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 147
                  • Usa

                  #88
                  Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                  Or this
                  Attached Files

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                  • budm
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 40746
                    • USA

                    #89
                    Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                    On my post 35 and his answer on post 36, I had him check the resistance from the Cathode of the 24v Rectifier Diode to the 24V connector, he had indicated basicaly 0 ohm reading, I was looking for open connection too, that is why I ask him to check, but did not see any from his measurement I asked him to verify. there are 3 reistors (R241A~C) in parallel that looks like thery are used as the fuse, they are OK from his reading.
                    Last edited by budm; 11-29-2012, 04:44 PM.
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                    • tomstr
                      Tommy
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 147
                      • Usa

                      #90
                      Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                      Here are some heatshrink fuses?
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                      • tom66
                        EVs Rule
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 32560
                        • UK

                        #91
                        Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                        Those resistors could be the minimum load. I have seen them before on Delta PSUs. They seem fond of them.
                        Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                        For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                        • selldoor
                          Slow Learner
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 7870

                          #92
                          Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                          The black tube is a fuse - mains fuse so should be ok but you can check.
                          I dont think the yellow component is a fuse.
                          The black box could be a fuse but I doubt it take the glue off and see what it says.
                          The board description I think is covering the possibility of the board being used at 250v or 120v

                          The fawn /grey/brown components are fusible resistors you can test them for continuity
                          Last edited by selldoor; 11-29-2012, 04:58 PM.
                          Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                          • drpj23
                            Badcaps Veteran
                            • May 2012
                            • 528
                            • USA

                            #93
                            Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                            Isn't there a transistor on smps that monitors the voltage if too high will release excess voltage to a dummy load and if too low will shut the rail off (or not let voltage pass through)? Don't know just talking :P

                            A precision shunt regulator I think
                            Last edited by drpj23; 11-29-2012, 05:07 PM.

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                            • budm
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 40746
                              • USA

                              #94
                              Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                              Those 3 resistor are in series and feed the out put connector, as you can see from the borttom side of the board, the Cathodes feed first inductor L241, output of L421 feeds inductor L240, output of L240 feed the 3 parallel resistors (R241A~B), the output of the resitors feed the 24V output connector. The bleeder resistors are R240A~F which are across the filter caps.
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                              • selldoor
                                Slow Learner
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 7870

                                #95
                                Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                                The picture I was asking for is the whole half of the board so I can see from the
                                24v pin which I think is on the row at the bottom up to the part that budm had you checking at the top.
                                Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                                • tomstr
                                  Tommy
                                  • Jun 2010
                                  • 147
                                  • Usa

                                  #96
                                  Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                                  Fawn gray and brown?

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                                  • tomstr
                                    Tommy
                                    • Jun 2010
                                    • 147
                                    • Usa

                                    #97
                                    Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                                    Originally posted by selldoor
                                    The picture I was asking for is the whole half of the board so I can see from the
                                    24v pin which I think is on the row at the bottom up to the part that budm had you checking at the top.
                                    Ok here
                                    Attached Files

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                                    • budm
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Feb 2010
                                      • 40746
                                      • USA

                                      #98
                                      Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                                      Here is the picture of how the output current flows through the board. There must be something missing from the measurement. I cannot tell without having the board in front of me at this point. There has to be voltage at the 24v pin. The 24v uses fullwave rectifier setup with center tap transformer, so at least one winding must be putting out at least.
                                      Attached Files
                                      Last edited by budm; 11-29-2012, 05:18 PM.
                                      Never stop learning
                                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                      • tomstr
                                        Tommy
                                        • Jun 2010
                                        • 147
                                        • Usa

                                        #99
                                        Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                                        Originally posted by budm
                                        Those 3 resistor are in series and feed the out put connector, as you can see from the borttom side of the board, the Cathodes feed first inductor L241, output of L421 feeds inductor L240, output of L240 feed the 3 parallel resistors (R241A~B), the output of the resitors feed the 24V output connector. The bleeder resistors are R240A~F which are across the filter caps.
                                        So were does that leave us?

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                                        • budm
                                          Badcaps Legend
                                          • Feb 2010
                                          • 40746
                                          • USA

                                          #100
                                          Re: Sanyo dp42848. No picture no sound?has anyone found the problem

                                          Do you have two small 12v lamps?
                                          Never stop learning
                                          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                          Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                          TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                                          Comment

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