DSP-167DP LOW VCC at IC901

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  • TJM2005
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    • Aug 2013
    • 19
    • USA

    #1

    DSP-167DP LOW VCC at IC901

    Hello,
    I am trying to repair a power supply for a Vizio M492i-B2.
    Before I started:
    Fusible Resistor R915 was open.
    ZD909 was shorted.
    D950B was shorted.

    I have replaced the above parts along with a new IC901 / LD7913J
    I now have:
    165V on the main cap
    IC901 Drain pins: 165V
    IC901 VCC: 1.1V
    IC901 COMP: 1.1V
    IC901 BNO: 0.3V

    I pulled the Q800 Mosfet and it checked good.
    I also tested the two smaller caps C907 and C904B, they both tested close to the rated value.

    Does anyone know of anything that could be causing this, or where I could check next?
    Thanks for your time.
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  • R_J
    Badcaps Legend
    • Jun 2012
    • 9591
    • Canada

    #2
    Are you sure ZD909 was shorted, or did it check shorted in circuit? ZD909 is across source resistors R907A & R907B which are low values, likely under 1Ω
    IC901 has an internal startup cell that creates a startup vcc voltage of around 12vdc to charge c904B so you should replace C904B and C907 as well.
    Last edited by R_J; Today, 02:37 PM.

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    • CapLeaker
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      • Dec 2014
      • 8329
      • Canada

      #3
      165VDC on the main cap? When that thing is turned on you should have closer to 390VDC there. So… either it isn’t turned on or your APFC isn’t working. Plus IC901 is in UVLO with VCC at 1.1V.

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      • R_J
        Badcaps Legend
        • Jun 2012
        • 9591
        • Canada

        #4
        it won't turn ON when ic901 is the standby ic which ALSO provides VCC for the PFC drive ic, NO standby = NO pfc vcc, no optocoupler voltages etc.

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        • TJM2005
          Member
          • Aug 2013
          • 19
          • USA

          #5
          Originally posted by R_J
          Are you sure ZD909 was shorted, or did it check shorted in circuit? ZD909 is across source resistors R907A & R907B which are low values, likely under 1Ω
          IC901 has an internal startup cell that creates a startup vcc voltage of around 12vdc to charge c904B so you should replace C904B and C907 as well.
          Yes, ZD909 tested shorted even when removed from the circuit.
          I put an order in for the C904B and C907 and should have them in a day or so.
          I missed that the IC generates its own VCC voltage, is this only during startup then the VCC power comes from the secondary side of the transformer ones it starts switching? Will it power up even if the optocoupler on the COMP pin is bad?
          I will plan to replace the caps then retest the VCC, I also ordered another LD7913J as the first one came from e-bay, and I am not sure of an easy way to test that is fully operational.

          Originally posted by CapLeaker
          165VDC on the main cap? When that thing is turned on you should have closer to 390VDC there. So… either it isn’t turned on or your APFC isn’t working. Plus IC901 is in UVLO with VCC at 1.1V.
          I am on 120V 60Hz, shouldn't this be about the correct voltage?
          Vpeak ≈ 120V × 1.414 ≈ 169.7V

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          • R_J
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            • Jun 2012
            • 9591
            • Canada

            #6
            Did you check the source resistors R907 A & R907B? make sure they did not open. When power is applied ic901 will have 165vdc on its drain and it will internally supply a small current to the vcc pin, this will charge C904B, once charged to about 12~16v the ic starts to switch, then the transformer will suppliy the vcc voltage via R908A~C and D902B to about 25vdc.

            Once the standby circuit is working, it will also supply the VCC voltage (via D902 and C907) to the pfc and main driver ic's, only when the power supply is switched ON will the pfc start to work and then you will have about 385vdc on the main capacitor.
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