BN44-00301A No signs of life

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by R_J
    If pins 4 & 5 are shorted, with the ic removed then the ic itself is bad.
    If the is is bad, you need to check DM811 diode across the resistor, The resistor is a low value (0.4Ω) and sometimes it goes open but the diode shorts so it looks ok but the only way to check both the resistor and the diode is to remove one end of one of them.

    Good news. The new IC did the trick, plus the zener diode was shorted.
    Thanks for the great help.

    Learned a ton from this repair.
    Cheers.

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  • R_J
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    If pins 4 & 5 are shorted, with the ic removed then the ic itself is bad.
    If the is is bad, you need to check DM811 diode across the resistor, The resistor is a low value (0.4Ω) and sometimes it goes open but the diode shorts so it looks ok but the only way to check both the resistor and the diode is to remove one end of one of them.
    Last edited by R_J; 01-08-2023, 05:55 PM.

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Confirmed, pin 4 and 5 are shorted, along with the other except for pin 1. I will source a new one and give you feed back. Hope I didn’t damage the pin holes :s

    Sorry about the number of pages..

    Thanks for the help.

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  • R_J
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by snoptel
    Got it.
    So on pins 4 and 5 there should be the 5.1 VDC correct?
    NO, The ic pin 5 is hot ground, pin 4 is the vcc pin, there should be a minimum of 10.5v and likely should be around 20v on pin 4 for the ic to work. If this voltage is 0, then check if pins 4 and 5 are shorted, if there is no short then the internal startup cell is bad.

    third page already, this is why I edit

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Got it.
    So on the VCC pin what should the voltage be?
    Last edited by snoptel; 01-08-2023, 04:37 PM.

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by R_J
    What datasheet are you using? the one I looked up has 6 pins
    Can you attach it please?

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  • R_J
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by snoptel
    Thank you for sending this.

    I'm looking at the datasheet for the IC you requested. Doesn't look similar. The one on the board only has 6 pins
    What datasheet are you using? the one I looked up has 6 pins

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by R_J
    No I do not, but most smps are similar.
    Thank you for sending this.

    I'm looking at the datasheet for the IC you requested. Doesn't look similar. The one on the board only has 6 pins
    Last edited by snoptel; 01-08-2023, 04:01 PM.

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  • R_J
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by snoptel
    Hmm, ok.

    Do you have the schematic for this board?
    No I do not, but most smps are similar. This uses the same standby ic
    Attached Files

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    Last edited by R_J; 01-08-2023, 04:09 PM.

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by R_J
    That's not how the ic operates, That is only the high voltage to the drain of the internal mosfet. The ic also needs to produce its own startup vcc for the ic to operate at all. once the the ic is switching (at 50~100khz) the transformer feedback winding supplies a run vcc voltage to maintain the vcc voltage.

    What is the number on the ic so I can look up the datasheet?
    Hmm, ok.

    Do you have the schematic for this board?

    CM801's number is 3BR1065JF
    Last edited by snoptel; 01-08-2023, 03:54 PM.

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  • R_J
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by snoptel
    I also wonder may CM801 isn’t working properly seeing as how there’s 320vdc and no output
    That's not how the ic operates, That is only the high voltage to the drain of the internal mosfet. The ic also needs to produce its own startup vcc for the ic to operate at all. once the the ic is switching (at 50~100khz) the transformer feedback winding supplies a run vcc voltage to maintain the vcc voltage.

    What is the number on the ic so I can look up the datasheet?

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by R_J
    You would first have to have the 5.1 volt standby voltage to be able to turn on the other voltages.
    Ah, ok

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  • R_J
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by snoptel
    Earlier I asked about testing the board out of the TV because I was wondering if there I a signal from the ON button that would tell the PSU to start doing its thing. Is there a jumper that has to be installed somewhere??
    You would first have to have the 5.1 volt standby voltage to be able to turn on the other voltages.

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    I also wonder may CM801 isn’t working properly seeing as how there’s 320vdc and no output

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Earlier I asked about testing the board out of the TV because I was wondering if there I a signal from the ON button that would tell the PSU to start doing its thing. Is there a jumper that has to be installed somewhere??

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  • R_J
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by snoptel
    Nothing. 0.001 VDC
    That is the vcc voltage for the standby ic as well as the pfc circuit, so I can only suspect that the standby circuit is not working after all.

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Nothing. 0.001 VDC

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  • R_J
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by snoptel
    Nothing, roughly zero volts DC.
    With the negative meter lead on ZDM802 (anode), check the voltage on DM803 Cathode (white line)

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  • snoptel
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by R_J
    There is a zener diode marked ZDM802, Check the voltage ACROSS this diode. This is one of the standby vcc voltages.
    Nothing, roughly zero volts DC.

    I measured both forward and reverse bias..
    Last edited by snoptel; 01-08-2023, 03:22 PM.

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  • R_J
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    Re: BN44-00301A No signs of life

    Originally posted by snoptel
    Sure, gotcha. not sure what the issue is then..
    There is a zener diode marked ZDM802, Check the voltage ACROSS this diode. This is one of the standby vcc voltages.

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