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  • Steve.B
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 83
    • UK

    #1

    HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

    Hi, My first post here, so hopefully i will get it at least sort of right!

    I have had some experience in the past of repairing flat screen monitors, i have one of those ultra unreliable 19" Proview monitors, and in it's time i have changed it's lamps, replaced some bad cap's, and replaced the logic board when that gave up the ghost. So i am up for the challenge of fixing my current problem on the HP.

    The monitor in question is a HP W2007v. The problem, like the thread title says, it's turning on, but the back lights go out after a couple of seconds. The picture is visable when viewed with a strong light and appears normal.

    Looking at the inverter/power board, all looks ok, no obvious signs of overheating on the board, and no obviously bad caps. So my attention turned to the lamps. I do not have any spare ccfl's to hand that i could substitute in order to try and identify a dodgy lamp, neither do i have the correct value resistor, so i moved straight onto the panel dismantling stage.

    Once the lamp assemblies were removed from the panel i inspected them visually for signs of trouble, bad connections, signs of burning or arching etc. All looked very good.

    With the tubes still in their holders (two tubes in the top assembly, two in the bottom) i plugged them back into the inverter/power board. I then turned the unit back on (minus the lcd panel) to see if any tube was showing signs of problems within that 2 seconds.

    Now we get to the interesting point. upon powering up, the bottom pair of ccfl's lit up instantly and evenly. The top pair however did not even manage to fully light up in the couple of seconds before the board shut off the power. Both tubes in that pair started to light from one end, flickered a bit with the light managing to reach about 3/4 of the way along both tubes before power was cut.

    My first assumption was that both tubes in that pair were faulty, either that or that there was a short between the pair of them in the wiring. But, to double check i then swapped the lamp assemblies over - plugged the good bottom set into the top sets power source, and plugged the suspect top pair of lamps into the bottom power source. I then powered up. Now plugged into the other half of the inverter the suspect lamps performed perfectly, came straight on in an even manner. But on the other half of the inverter, the lamps that had been good before were now failing to fully light in the 2 seconds.

    So i am guessing this narrows the problem down to just one half of the inverter/power board? If so, what are going to be the likely suspects? I have my trusty digital multimeter and soldering iron. But what do you guys think i should be checking first, any likely suspects you think i should look at in particular? I am ok with diode checks and resistance and voltage readings, but much above that i will need advice. Apologies for the long post, but i hope it gives the needed information.


    This is the board in question, a 6832177300P02 PTB - 1773 The suspect side of the inverter is on the top right in the first picture, or bottom right in second picture.
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    Last edited by Steve.B; 07-26-2012, 02:09 PM. Reason: typo
  • selldoor
    Slow Learner
    • Dec 2010
    • 7870

    #2
    Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

    Hi - in view of the testing you have done - well done by the way, I suggest it is the inverter transformer. I do not think you have mentioned that you have tested this.
    Power off (5 minutes) Meter on ohms2000 measure the resistance of the
    secondary windings s1>s2 and s3>s4 as in the attached.
    You can do this without removing from the board.
    Attached Files
    Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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    • budm
      Badcaps Legend
      • Feb 2010
      • 40746
      • USA

      #3
      Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

      Check the resistance reading of the secondary side of the transformer, there are two pin on each end of the transformer that leads to the lamp connector. More likely to be one bad windings.
      Never stop learning
      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

      Inverter testing using old CFL:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

      TV Factory reset codes listing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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      • Steve.B
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 83
        • UK

        #4
        Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

        Thank you both your speedy replies. You were both SPOT ON! Open circuit on the secondary of the suspect side of the transformer. I am guessing that where the lamps were trying to light it was because the transformer windings were arching.

        Brilliant information guys, something i really should have checked myself, but had not touched the board since my previous lamp tests.

        Now, i wonder how easy it will be to get a replacement here in the UK? Anyone know any stockists that will have the part? If not i feel a googling session coming on!

        Thank you again for the valued info, it is very much appreciated.

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        • Steve.B
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 83
          • UK

          #5
          Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

          I should have included this in my previous post.

          Transformer part No. = 6131040001P00 LSE e28A H

          Does anyone know the importance of the last 5 letters and numbers (e28A H)?

          A quick google finds a few 6131040001P00 LSE T10A H, but nothing ending with e28A H. I wonder if these last 5 characters are just batch numbers?, or are they more important. Any advice appreciated.

          Thanks guys.

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          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
            • USA

            #6
            Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

            I believe the 6131040001P00 is the main P/N for the transformer, as you can see in the one I repair has the same base P/N
            http://s807.photobucket.com/albums/y...t=DSC03076.jpg
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

            TV Factory reset codes listing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            • selldoor
              Slow Learner
              • Dec 2010
              • 7870

              #7
              Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

              On some of these it does not seem to matter much - only the first 4/5 digits matter.
              On this one it seems a bit different. I had a look as you did but didnt find any e28AH.
              There are T10A H and C13A . I would have been happier if they were more random but as the 10A and 13A are for 19 inch monitors I did wonder if it was some amperage figure. They are probably only going to be available on ebay or by buying a recycled board. If you can find a seller on ebay perhaps message them and ask?
              Last edited by selldoor; 07-26-2012, 04:04 PM.
              Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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              • Steve.B
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 83
                • UK

                #8
                Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                Originally posted by budm
                I believe the 6131040001P00 is the main P/N for the transformer, as you can see in the one I repair has the same base P/N
                http://s807.photobucket.com/albums/y...t=DSC03076.jpg
                Thanks for that link, what size screen was that one from? A 20" like mine? If so then maybe the last few characters are not important.

                Originally posted by selldoor
                On some of these it does not seem to matter much - only the first 4/5 digits matter.
                On this one it seems a bit different. I had a look as you did but didnt find any e28AH.
                There are T10A H and C13A . I would have been happier if they were more random but as the 10A and 13A are for 19 inch monitors I did wonder if it was some amperage figure. They are probably only going to be available on ebay or by buying a recycled board. If you can find a seller on ebay perhaps message them and ask?
                I also wondered if those last characters related to amp rating or something, but thinking about it i am not sure. 10A and 13A for a 19", but jumping to 28A for a 20"? Does not sound right. And when looking at budm's picture you will see that one's got a 16A. Also, there does not appear to be any further numbers on the transformers, and i would expect to see a batch number somewhere, i am guessing those last characters are the batch number.

                I have see some on ebay,, one seller in Hong Kong is selling them for £7.75 with £3.23 postage. That is the T10A, i think i will message him. He's only got 5 left so i hope he answers quickly.

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                • budm
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 40746
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                  That is the same model as yours, the base number should be OK.
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                  Comment

                  • Rtech
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 1095

                    #10
                    Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                    I have quite a few Boards I use for particular spares like tfmrs etc,so if you can measure the secondary resistance of the GOOD side of your tfmr, I will see if I have something like that.

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                    • Steve.B
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 83
                      • UK

                      #11
                      Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                      Originally posted by Rtech
                      I have quite a few Boards I use for particular spares like tfmrs etc,so if you can measure the secondary resistance of the GOOD side of your tfmr, I will see if I have something like that.
                      Darn, i should have logged in earlier because i have just ordered and paid for a new replacement, thanks anyway Rtech. For information i am getting a 574 ohm reading from the good secondary coil, that reading was taken with the transformer removed from the board.

                      P.S: The ebay seller in Hong Kong replied to my email and confirmed that the last part of the number relates only to manufacturer information.
                      Last edited by Steve.B; 07-27-2012, 06:44 AM.

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                      • Steve.B
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 83
                        • UK

                        #12
                        Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                        Just to update. Fitted the new transformer today, monitor is now up and running again.

                        So thanks to everyone who replied, your input was very much appreciated this end.

                        Cheers!

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                        • selldoor
                          Slow Learner
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 7870

                          #13
                          Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                          Well done - pleased you got it fixed- thanks for letting us know.
                          Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                          • kleung
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 72
                            • Canada

                            #14
                            Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                            Thanks for the update. Always useful to have confirmation of fix.

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                            • Steve.B
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 83
                              • UK

                              #15
                              Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                              One thing i will always do if i sort a problem that's been discussed, is post back letting you all know. Partly to say thanks to those that helped, but also to help anyone else that may read the thread in the future. Nothing more annoying than finding a thread that is discussing a problem similar to your own, only to find it ends abruptly with no outcome either way because the person asking for help could not be bothered to post back.

                              So thanks once again people, i am sure the info included within this thread will benefit others in the future.

                              Cheers.

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                              • Andyd1970
                                Badcaps Veteran
                                • Feb 2013
                                • 374
                                • united kingdom

                                #16
                                Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                                Hi Guys, I have the same sort of fault, I have just checked the two windings across the pins that go to the lamp connectors S1/S2 S3/S4 and I get the following readings:

                                567k ohms
                                819k ohms

                                Could it be the same fault? I do not have any bulging caps either.

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                                • Rtech
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Jul 2010
                                  • 1095

                                  #17
                                  Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                                  The normal resistance reading on these things is USUALLY below 2000Ω (2K),so the readings you have shown are way out ??? as they are it would suggest that both secondaries are burnt out, and while not impossible it is unusual.The readings have to be normally,within 3% of each other.

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                                  • Andyd1970
                                    Badcaps Veteran
                                    • Feb 2013
                                    • 374
                                    • united kingdom

                                    #18
                                    Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                                    Hi,

                                    Thank you for the reply. The readings were taken with the PSU removed fro the monitor. I took the readings across the pins as shown in the picture attached by "selldoor" so I measured across the far left two pins and far right set of two pins. Hope that makes sense.

                                    I guess just trying to get confirmation before I wait for the slow boat from China to deliver the part

                                    Andy

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                                    • Rtech
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Jul 2010
                                      • 1095

                                      #19
                                      Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                                      Well that looks right, so good luck with the new part ...when you get it ...

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                                      • slowmotion
                                        New Member
                                        • Apr 2015
                                        • 1
                                        • Bosnia and Herzegovina

                                        #20
                                        Re: HP W2007v 2 Second to Black

                                        Hi, guys, i have same problem today, i measure 580 and 550 ohms.
                                        is it faulty ?

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