Need help wiring up 240VAC.

[Spork Schivago]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

So yesterday, my wife comes home at 9:45AM to meet her mother. She finds the baby standing in the crib, not making any noise, covered in poop. She had a dirty diaper and went diaper digging I guess. She wasn't crying or anything.

My wife attempted to wake me, normally my daughter wakes me around that time. Anyway, my wife was unsuccessful at waking me, and instead of calling 911 or something, she gets the baby cleaned up and passes her off to her mum.

I wake up at around 1:30PM. Keep in mind, the night before, I passed out on the floor from 7:00PM till 9:00PM and knew something was wrong. I found my wife upstairs playing with our daughter on the bed. She claimed she tried waking me, I wouldn't wake up, so she left me there. I ate some food, realizing it was my sugar and was good, or so I thought.

When I woke up at 1:30PM, somehow, I managed to drink the coffee, which had sugar in it. Enough for me to realize something wasn't right. I thought it was Tuesday and my came home at 11 and grabbed the baby and went somewheres. I manage to test my sugar and it's so low, my meter says it can't read it. I had a hell of a time getting it stable. I tested myself so many times yesterday.

When I awoke, what feels like my kindey is killing me! I call the docs, they tell me to come in that day at 2:40. My wife is always home by 2PM, so I say I think I can do that. Sure enough, she doesn't come home (at this point, I had made contact with her and she just hung up on me and was ignoring my calls).

She gave our daughter to my mother-in-law to watch. It blows my mind that both of them thought it was a good idea to just leave me there, knowing perfectly well that I couldn't be waken, and both thinking it was a brilliant idea to just give the baby to my mother-in-law, and leave me.

My wife finally comes home at around 4:00pm. I have to admit, I was a bit upset. I said if you had a heart attack, would you expect me to try to wake you, and be like hrrmm...Jess won't wake up. Better give our daughter to my mum and then go to a friends house to do some work for 6 - 7 hours?

Anyway, now we have it where she is going to wake me up before she goes to work, and if for some reason she cannot wake me, call 911 and tell them I got a sugar issue and she can't wake me.

I go see the doc today at 2:40pm. After canceling yesterday (10 mins after the appointment, if you're not there, they won't see you), they said take a cab or walk with our daughter if I have to.

Hopefully they can figure out what's going on. The last prognosis of why I lost so much weight so quickly (around 2 to 3 lbs a week) was stress. But something else is going on. I'm sleeping ~15 hours a day, everytime I drink anything, I gotta pee like a freaking race horse so bad that I can hardly hold it. If I don't go to the bathroom, I'll piss my pants. And my freaking lower right back (my side) is KILLING me! It freaking hurts.

Just wanted to give you guys an update on why I haven't been around lately.

[Spork Schivago]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

I would try an Ace and maybe an Agway! They're more likely to have U.S.A.-manufactured receptacles...

At Walmart, you can forget about it! All the receptacle packages at the closest Walmart I saw, indicate China... Avoid the Jasco brand! They are nothing more than a company who slaps the GE brand on Chinese products!

Gotcha.

I wish someone could recommend a higher quality NEMA L6-30R and L6-30P receptacle / plug, just something like manufacturer.

[Spork Schivago]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

That is just examples of what they make for panel mounted breaker with GFCI, OP just has to get the right Voltage and current as needed.

I'm familiar with GFCI breakers. I wanted Arc-Fault originally, but my electrician talked me out of them. Was thinking of spending the cash some day on the more expensive GFCI breakers.

He said with the type of loads I had, arc fault would not be a good idea. They'd trip all the time.

I don't remember what he said about the GFCI breakers. Do you guys foresee any issues with using GFCI breakers (replacing the current breakers with the same size GFCI breakers) for the type of loads I have, such as BGA rework station (~4800 watt), pre-heater (I think ~2000 watt, but might be mistaken), WHA-900 hot air rework station, digital soldering iron, logic anaylzer (mainframe), servers (2,800 watt each, two PSUs at 1,400 watt), vacuum cleaner, etc?

Shouldn't be any issues, right?

[Spork Schivago]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

EAC can be done by compliance tester which will perform the test per EAC requirement, I.E. TuV can provide testing. TuV is just one of many compliance testers out there.

At this point I have no suggestion, but as long as it is done properly, safely, and up to code then it should not be problem.

Thank you BudM. We're trying to RMA the PDU and getting the North American version. According to our, despite the fact that we installed it in the rack, because it's never been powered on, they should be able to accept it, however, we might need to pay a restocking fee. At this point, we're okay with that.

[stj]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

spork, check this channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/jjward/videos

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Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

Maybe it's because I've been buying them at Home Depot and Lowes and I can get higher quality ones somewheres else? But they always feel real chinsee to me. Even when I plug in the plug and twist it, it always feels like something is going to break off.

I would try an Ace and maybe an Agway! They're more likely to have U.S.A.-manufactured receptacles...

At Walmart, you can forget about it! All the receptacle packages at the closest Walmart I saw, indicate China... Avoid the Jasco brand! They are nothing more than a company who slaps the GE brand on Chinese products!

[budm]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

those are no good, they are 110v

That is just examples of what they make for panel mounted breaker with GFCI, OP just has to get the right Voltage and current as needed.

[stj]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

those are no good, they are 110v

[budm]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

Example of GFCI Circuit breakers:
https://www.homedepot.com/b/Electric...vZbm16Z1z0mh9u

[stj]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

RCD's come in many forms and can be used anywhere - they are extra and not substitutes for breakers.
i will be more specific later.

[budm]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

EAC can be done by compliance tester which will perform the test per EAC requirement, I.E. TuV can provide testing. TuV is just one of many compliance testers out there.

At this point I have no suggestion, but as long as it is done properly, safely, and up to code then it should not be problem.

[Spork Schivago]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

Nothing by the cable. But on top of the PDU, near the front, there's this sticker that probably contains the info you're looking for. It's hard to take a pic because the flash wants to reflect off of it, so sorry it's a bit blurry.

So I believe EAC (Eurasian Conformity) is the compliancy agency.

[Spork Schivago]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

The first link you provide I get the message below:
HPE Metered and Switched Power Distribution Units
Select an HPE product

The page you requested has changed. Please select your product below to be directed to your product information. We recommend you bookmark the new page destination for future inquiries.
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That sounds like HPE. The PDU is part number P9S16A, if that helps any. I'll go look for the logo or something where the input plug goes into the PDU.

[Spork Schivago]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

if you fit a double-pole 240v 32A RCD between the double breaker and the IEC socket, it solves the electrical problem
not sure about this "code" crap though.

in short, an RCD monitors the current on the 2 wires - if one is higher it assumes a problem and trips.
if a single-pole breaker on the pdu trips, the rcd should trip.

infact if your concerned about kids in the basement, an rcd on it is a good idea anyway.
it will trip if it see's a difference of 30ma - that's good enough to save someone who touches a live terminal.

Can that be installed on an entire breaker panel or would we need one for each device (receptacles, etc)? In the USA, all fifty states must follow the National Electric Code. It's a very large set of standards setup in place that say things like if you're using a 15-amp breaker, you cannot use anything smaller than 14 gauge wire. Or if you're using a 20-amp breaker, you can't use anything less than 12-gauge. Or if you're going to bury the wire, it needs to be a certain type. There's different NEC's for Commercial. They're held to a bit higher standard.

Local Jurisdictions can add to the NEC but they cannot remove from it (to my knowledge). For example, in my area, I believe our county added that any new construction must have arc-fault breakers, not gfci breakers or normal breakers.

The NEC is updated every 3 years I think? The current NEC is 2017. You can setup a free account and view the entire NEC on one of the government webpages. It's huge. In cities, especially like mine, anytime any electrical work is done, we're supposed to get a permit (by sketching up what we're planning on doing), and once it's approved, we start work. Throughout the process, depending on what you're doing, the local code inspector will come and inspect the work. If you're adding a new addition to the house, there'd be four phases for the inspect. They'd come up once the foundation was laid to inspect it. They'd come up when the frame was up, to inspect it. They'd come up once the electrical was ran to inspect it, and finally, once it was all done they'd come in for their final inspection.

In some states though, or depending on what you're doing, you, as a regular Joe, might not be able to submit a sketch of what you're doing. You might need a real engineer to sign off on real blueprints or something before work can begin. If we want a walk-around balcony, we'd need a real engineer to sign off on the blue-prints, stating exactly how many people it could support, the maximum weight, etc.

That way, we don't have idiots that think they know how to wire up a house try wiring up a house and causing a fire that spreads and catches all the other houses on fire.

[budm]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

The first link you provide I get the message below:
HPE Metered and Switched Power Distribution Units
Select an HPE product

The page you requested has changed. Please select your product below to be directed to your product information. We recommend you bookmark the new page destination for future inquiries.
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[budm]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

There should be logo or printing around the incoming AC connector.

[Spork Schivago]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

You need to conform to your local code your local code beside the NEC. I do have have lots of NEC info at works for reference, there are tons of info but it still comes down to local codes.\
BTW, did you get the user manual/wiring instruction, etc with that PDU?
What compliance agency does it have on it?

There was no user manual / wiring instructions. Just some stupid pamphlet that seems to come with all of them. This one is a little different and says Important PDU User Documentation Download information

To download the latest user documentation, see the Hewlett Packard Enterprise website ( http://www.hpe.com/support/mPDU_manuals ).

For important safety, environmental, and regulatory information, see Safety and Compliance Information for Server, Storage, Power, Networking, And Rack Products, available at the Hewlett Packard Enterprise website ( http://www.hpe.com/support/Safety-Co...rpriseProducts ).

There's another generic pamphlet as well but just talks about HPE servers, racks, etc. Could you give an example of what the Compliance Agency would look like? Maybe it's on the PDU or the plug itself?

I contacted my Account Executive to see if I could return it. Sorry for the long delay in responding. I've been working on a long contract project with someone for the last couple years that I think I just finished (yay!!!!) and he had to come over and double check the code before taking it to his company and putting it into the test phase.

[stj]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

if you fit a double-pole 240v 32A RCD between the double breaker and the IEC socket, it solves the electrical problem
not sure about this "code" crap though.

in short, an RCD monitors the current on the 2 wires - if one is higher it assumes a problem and trips.
if a single-pole breaker on the pdu trips, the rcd should trip.

infact if your concerned about kids in the basement, an rcd on it is a good idea anyway.
it will trip if it see's a difference of 30ma - that's good enough to save someone who touches a live terminal.

[budm]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

You need to conform to your local code your local code beside the NEC. I do have have lots of NEC info at works for reference, there are tons of info but it still comes down to local codes.\
BTW, did you get the user manual/wiring instruction, etc with that PDU?
What compliance agency does it have on it?

[Spork Schivago]

Re: Need help wiring up 240VAC.

"Keep in mind, the value shown is derated, so the American two-pole version should show 20-amp, not 16-amp." That is correct for those IEC outlets, the large (IEC-320-C19) one is rated 20A US, 16A Euro, the smaller (IEC-320-C13) 15a us RATED, 10A Euro rated.
Hmm, I cannot tell if they are magnetic or thermal breakers type.
The breaker itself rating is real 16A. I spec in 16A for the products with IEC-320-C19.
I use Carling in most the products since they can custom made for us in our application.
Your looks SIMILAR to Carling B series or J Rocker actuator:
http://www.carlingtech.com/hm-cb-b-series
http://www.carlingtech.com/hm-cb-j-series

If those pictures are the true pictures for the series, it's definitely not J series. With the button, it's not flat. It's more like this --_ if that makes any sense. I'm trying to explain the best I can in words. Right after the number 16, there's a small slope where it goes down to the OFF level.

To try and be a bit more clear on this, we'll look at the bottom as having two levels, the ON level, which if the breaker was removed, and sitting straight up, the ON level is physically higher than the OFF level. Only by a couple mm's.

The picture for the B and J series, neither of them appear to have the slop that I'm talking about. ON is level, then slopes down real quick like to the OFF label, which is level, but not at the same height as the ON level. It's recessed.