TV repair Data base!

[capwizard]

I have an idea is use AC current to diagnose the problems of the TV. No need to open the cover of the TV!

Example: Vizio E550i-B2

0 mA: TV fuse is open. (pic1)
14 mA: TV has DC 5v standby. (pic2)
162 mA: TV has power- on command but in shutdown mode. with a timing chart we can know it is the famous PCB connectors have bad connections.
1009 mA: TVs normally working current. (pic3)
1012 mA : You are watching porno! Detected by Cyan : 6% magenta :22% yellow:18% curren chart. This is my own conjecture.

We can draw a timing chart to match the problems. I said " I don't need TV technician anymore." with this idea, I argued with my TV technicians all the time.

PS: Badcaps Veterans help peoples fix TV is change to ..........Please upload your current chart ............OK! Your TVs problem is the PFC controller IC 201........

PS: If I monitor your current usage of your home, WiFi to an APP I can know when have you watch TV, open air conditioner, when have you use hair dryer after you take a bath and how long ...When you close light and go sleep ........is like A current spectrum analyzer to your electricity usage.

[jiroy]

Re: TV repair Data base!

Capwizard dude .. Are those measurements accurate ? , and to what degree ? , cause i intend to steal the idea , lol ..

[capwizard]

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You are welcome. It is like Electrocardiogram for the TV.

PS: The meter I use has 4 digits, $13, Power Energy Meter Watt Voltage Amp Meter Analyzer Monitor. If someone can write a program attach this meter to computer can draw a electrocardiogram for TV, It would be fantastic.

PS: Badcaps Veterans, jirou and I. We all try to make the world a better place. ...........

[jiroy]

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You are welcome. It is like Electrocardiogram for the TV.

Thanks Capwizard ; I guess then you'll enhance more methods to make it more worthy than it is already , just to deserve the Robin hood act , lol ..(just kidding)

[budm]

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The question is who is going to document all the possible faults and record all the readings, how accurate and details are the readings from the same make and model. 230V version will also have to be made.
Examples:
T-CON not getting Voltage, how sensitive will the AC A meter in the primary side will be able to show
No PFC is running the 24V supply is not running
Power supply is running but the LED boost converter not running
on and on and on......
You can also have two circuits that draw the same amount of current so if reading show less current, how would you know which one of the two circuits has fail?
To me it is still best to use the experience and good meter and knowledge. Voltage reading at the test point give you a lot more info, current reading does not really point down to where the bad section of the TV are, just my 2 cents and over 40 years of troubleshooting/designing electronics.
You should start experiment by collecting the info on one of the TV you have and simulate the typical failure modes and take notes of the readings.
Ask your self simple question such as TV has no backlights, what can cause the backlights not to function and go from there?
To me it will be nice to have the data base of the Voltage reading of the boards and the collection of the pin names of the connectors that have no printing on the board to tell us what the pins are for.

[capwizard]

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What is inside this Meter! It is A chip-on-board, So the story, FIN...... No...It is A beginning.

Substituindo um Chip on Board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0wIT121CJw

Here is the official teaser of the French-speaking youtube channel Deus Ex Silicium established in October 2014 and dedicated to electronics and the science of semiconductors (integrated circuits among others) and their many applications.

- Deus Ex Silicium - He is my IDOL. One day, we can fix ASIC with NanoRobot.

EPISODE 15 : Anatomie d'un processeur A.S.I.C. (French) > Anatomy of an A.S.I.C.

BREVE 05 : Chip-on-board, une puce sur circuit

BONUS 10: Décortiquer une carte SD

EPISODE 04 : Décortiquer un disque SSD

EPISODE 14 : Anatomie d'un accéléromètre

BREVE 09 : Décomposer une horloge temps-réel > Breaking down a real-time clock

BREVE 02 : Préamplificateur de tête de disque dur > Hard disk drive preamplifier

EPISODE 13 : Pourquoi le ZX81 était une arnaque. > Why the ZX81 was a scam

BREVE 08 : Décomposer un circuit hybride > Decomposing a Hybrid Circuit

EPISODE 06 : Décortiquer une souris optique > Decorate an optical mouse

[capwizard]

Re: TV repair Data base!

"You can also have two circuits that draw the same amount of current so if reading show less current, how would you know which one of the two circuits has fail?" OK, The TV draw the same amount of currents but the timing will be different.

"You should start experiment by collecting the info on one of the TV you have and simulate the typical failure modes and take notes of the readings." BUT..but I try to reach is kinda like MMR scanner, I do not need to take off my clothes they gonna know what's wrong with my body, same as the TV doesn't need to open the cover also.

PS: When you push the power button of A PC, thousands commands being executed. Where is the BUG, needs use logic analyzer to find out at Nanoseconds when the errors caused!

[budm]

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Well if you do not do the experiment to validate the result, then how do you know what you are seeing on the meter represent, you have to collect the data and verify it.
"BUT..but I try to reach is kinda like MMR scanner" yeah, but some one already collect a bunch data so when you see th image you know what you are seeing know what it means.
"OK, The TV draw the same amount of currents but the timing will be different." if the TV is functioning normal, what the timing has to do with it and since you do not know which circuit comes on fist any way.
Like I said, do the experiment to prove you theory, simple.

[capwizard]

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The TV Database needs when people repair the TV uploads the current chart to build up the Database.

It is called Signature Oscillate Scope for analog, for digital called Storage Spectrum Analyzer . Picture is An example only.

My idea is A device with APP on cellphone to record the current pattern then the victims can send it to Badcaps for Veterans analyze the problems. The customers can upload the current chart to repair service center which can bring the right parts to their home do the TV service.

PS: The custom made ASIC device with APP, to read current cart, Badcaps sell for $20 all over the world If TV has no problem could be use as A TV healthy indicator or for TV insurance company. Who buy the current ASIC device will get lifetime unlimited Badcaps Veterans support.

Y'all are Veterans, who help people repair TV or contribute A new tips ( current chart) will get portion of the benefit of it. ( No more free support, of which needs ASIC current device, Less and less bad capacitors are on the TV, Time is Money.)....Don't bug me, it's only A suggestion.

[budm]

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So the customer has to purchase the device to measure record the current? the base DATA has to collect info at various incoming AC since it will affect the current draw.
There are so many details,
Like I siad, collect DATA for juts ONE TV with different failure mode, record the time it will take and see.
BTW, the reason I am here is because it is full of FREE information.
I could have made lots of money on this thread alone: https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=25810
283,873 Views!

[capwizard]

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It is a current detector, current sensor very simple drive . Most parts are the sofewares, which is on the APP for cellphone to collect data and sent to Badcaps.net.

PS: "I could have made lots of money on this thread..." Yes.... Your knowledges Worth More than the Money.

alternating current measurement using pic microcontroller
http://microcontrollerslab.com/alter...icocontroller/

[budm]

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It is a current detector, current sensor very simple drive . Most parts are the sofewares, which is on the APP for cellphone to collect data and sent to Badcaps.net.

PS: "I could have made lots of money on this thread..." Yes.... Your knowledges Worth More than the Money.

So the customer has to get that board, current sensing resistor, power supply, box for safety, outlets, power cord, etc. do you think the customer is going do that?

[capwizard]

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Only this one, then connect to your cell phone. that is all. No buy, no support!, because we don't know what are you talking about!

PS: Over the Badcaps.net the same TV problems repeat again and again, with this current chart Veterans can work on more rare problems and not waste time on the same problems......with the TV current chart Database we will know who already spent 10 hours help people fixed the problem....move on next one................and get pay..............................

[budm]

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Why don't you try that at your repair shop and see what happen?
See if they are willing to buy all those tools.

[capwizard]

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I already did! Some tips it worth $280 or more for me! because I can use again and again. and for TV module repair service center (PTS....) it is worth $ thousands......

PS: Every customer came in, I show them the current meter, To proved it is not the fuse or buttons which they always thought It was!

[budm]

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"already spent 10 hours help people fixed the problem" Yeah, some time that is due to the asker does not even know to properly read the display on the meter.

[budm]

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I already did! Some tips it worth $280 or more for me! because I can use again and again.

But that is not based on what you want the customer to do to provide the reading result from the tools you suggested for them to use to HELP you.
We all have done that repeat problem fix, the first time you see th problem which may take you hours or days and not really making money on the first one, but the next time you see the same make and model, then it is just a matter of putting in the new part or resolder commonly failed solder joints on particular board, that is when you make money on the next 2~ to how many repair on the same model, been there done that, same model tends to have same failure symptom that is why MFG has service bulletins.

[capwizard]

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We can't fix all the TVs, the one could not fix, is the one from another shop or it is worth the time to dig in or pay the tips for.

My body and I paid $500 for repair tips collections from (Tvmans tips collections (Florida), 10 series hard-copy books), 10 years ago.

PS: Why need to sell the current device? The software need to pay for people to write it and to maintenance, it will need more HDD for the Web server's Database with faster and accurate service for general public.

PS: I don't mind pay for the tips is useful to me. Actually I am begging for it!

[capwizard]

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....Ding...... Dong......... you have a message...."Dear jiroy : Hello, My name is Jasmine, I is your Princess, the TV in the living room. Today I does the routine self diagnostic, I finds out SBY 5V is at 4.5V, before I is dead I will WIFI you the last message. ......and all the informations about me You can use Data logger to read it out after I has no power ..........Love you."

(In 2020, The Law requires Robots use only Third person singular. EX: I is...I works...Master, I is fine today.........To belittle Robot's identity, depreciate Talking -Computer is never A Human Being. You can't mistreat animal except Robot. Toy Robots are made for human pleasure purposes only and you can torture them or Beat 'em.) ........................................This is my fantasy...................

If Trump likes... All TVs sold in the United States are required to use the wifi OBD.

OBD (On-board diagnostics):
1996: The OBD-II specification is made mandatory for all cars manufactured in the United States to be sold in the United States.

PS: There have been reports of thieves using specialist OBD reprogramming devices to enable them to steal cars without the use of a key!

Chip on Board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orw_FF1sjbw

PCB,COB chip auto sealing machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpCXm65VQXI

[budm]

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"If Trump likes... All TVs sold in the United States are required to use the wifi OBD." that is what we need, more government mandate.
How about the cell phone, home appliances, HVAC and so on and on, and who is going to pay for it? Look at what they do with the money they collect for the so called R-Waste fee.
BTW, look into flat tire sensor, $150 or more each when they get damaged and MUST be replaced.