Replacing An Old DC Filter Capacitor in a 400Hz AC Generator

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  • elec_mech
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    • Jan 2016
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    Replacing An Old DC Filter Capacitor in a 400Hz AC Generator

    Hi All,

    I'm trying to help a customer replace an old, discontinued capacitor for a portable power supply. The unit runs from a gas engine that spins a custom generator at about 3600 RPM to get 400Hz, 3-phase AC power. This is then put through a series of diodes (bridge-rectifier) and a capacitor to get 250VDC or 500VDC at 2A or 1A, respectively.

    Unfortunately, the unit is 30 years old and the capacitor is no longer made.

    It is a CBE (formerly Mallory) TCG200T450N1C with the following ratings:
    20uF
    450VDC
    8.722ohm ESR
    341mA Ripple Current

    I can find equivalents from the same manufacturer, but nothing off the shelf or at least readily available.

    I found a Illinois Capacitor 226TTA450M with similar specs:
    22uF
    450VDC
    18.839ohm ESR @ 120Hz (though this will used at 400 x 2 = 800Hz)
    160mA Ripple Current

    I can't say I know much about filtering, but from what I read having a slighter higher capacitance should be okay, but I worry about the higher ESR and lower ripple current rating. I don't know if the old capacitor was selected with those parameters in mind by design or if it was simply a convenient one to use at the time.

    Any suggestions or assistance is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
  • goontron
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    Re: Replacing An Old DC Filter Capacitor in a 400Hz AC Generator

    Assuming you haven't confused the exciter cap for the filter cap:

    It would be OK to go up in uF rating, normadigly these caps are 20% rated, so stay within the 20% esr wise, go up current wise or down to 20% current wisr, and you will be fine.
    Last edited by goontron; 01-28-2016, 03:01 PM.
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    • stj
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      • Dec 2009
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      • Albion

      #3
      Re: Replacing An Old DC Filter Capacitor in a 400Hz AC Generator

      take a look at the Rubycon datasheets - they have a large range of 450v caps

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      • elec_mech
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        • Jan 2016
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        Re: Replacing An Old DC Filter Capacitor in a 400Hz AC Generator

        Thank you both. The old capacitor is rated -10%, +50%.

        Per stj's suggestion, I looked at Rubycon and found a 22uF with a 292mA ripple current. Unfortunately they have no ESR data. These are physically smaller than the existing capacitor 16 x 22mm (radial) vs 25 x 28mm (axial - old one).

        Think this would be okay? At only -10%, it sounds like I should be looking for a cap with a ripple current over 307mA, so I'm unsure whether the 292mA rating would be okay per goontron's advice.

        At +50%, perhaps I can use a 33uF instead? Rubycon offers several with ripple currents from 312 to 392mA.

        If it helps, I've attached the wiring diagram.
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        Last edited by elec_mech; 01-28-2016, 04:13 PM. Reason: 33uF

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        • stj
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          #5
          Re: Replacing An Old DC Filter Capacitor in a 400Hz AC Generator

          BXW series:
          18x16mm 340ma

          all the ones starting with "BX" are worth a look

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          • elec_mech
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            • Jan 2016
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            #6
            Re: Replacing An Old DC Filter Capacitor in a 400Hz AC Generator

            Thank you stj. I can't find any readily available 22uF or 27uf caps in the higher ripple currents, so I'll go with the 33uF 10x40mm, 360mA in the BXW series. Thanks again!

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