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Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

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    #16
    Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

    Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
    Hello, you fine folks.

    I've been hearing good things about the Bakon 950D (what a funny name!) soldering station with T12 tips (mistakenly labeled as T3 or T13, i see), so I thought i'd order one and a set of various tips.

    The station arrived a couple weeks ago and I was pretty impressed with it, but I wondered if it could do just a little bit better. The replacement tips have arrived last week, just need to pick the package up. Anyway, on to the bacon (pun intended)!

    I have noticed that it is usually labeled as 75W. Well, mine is labeled as 50W, so I took it apart to take a look.

    The station is made of 2 boards, the power supply and the iron controller. The control chips used are the OB2202 quasi-resonant flyback controller on the primary side and the classic TL431 for feedback. An IRF840 is used as the primary switching device, a 100 volt 20A schottky diode (forgot the number) for rectification, and an AOD425 P-Channel mosfet does the PWM switching of the iron for temperature control. There is also an Atmega processor running the show and a 78M05 regulator providing the iron controller board with power.

    The internal build quality is really nice, i was definitely not expecting a full line filter, all big-brand semiconductors (wow! ) and a modern power supply design for the price ($27). The caps are all cheap China brands, but hey, you're getting a lot for your $$.

    The power rating on this station I think is the input power rating, because the included tip measured in at roughly 8.8 ohms, and the power supply put out 19.25V which would be an output power of 42.1W to the tip at full drive. So I thought i would boost the power supply to 24 volts, which should be easy, since this is a flyback type supply.

    Once i took the iron control board out and read the part number off the P-channel mosfet that is regulating the temperature of the iron by PWM, I noticed that I also had another problem that needed to be addressed before boosting the voltage - the gate of this mosfet was driven by another transistor down to ground, and this device had a 25V gate rating, making 24 volts way too close for comfort.

    Since the switching frequency of the PWM is very low, the solution was simple: adding a Zener diode in series with the gate (thanks Chris!). I chose a 5V1 zener, which will keep the gate drive voltage very close to the original. I didn't want to cut the trace so I desoldered and tried pulling up the gate terminal, but the package ended up cracking and the mosfet was damaged. Oops. I replaced the FET with a suitable one from a laptop board. I advise you to cut the trace instead.

    Ok, now with that taken care of, time to mod the power supply. The bottom feedback resistor of the TL431 (R24 on the board) was 4.42k. I did the math and it solved to another 15k resistor in parallel with that to give me an output of roughly 24 volts. I soldered the additional resistor on top of the original one. A nice touch is that the turns ratio is printed on top of the transformer, which is 60:8:8 (primary:secondary:auxiliary). So, the auxiliary winding is 1:1 with the secondary. The maximum allowed voltage for the controller chip is 31 volts, so this modification should cause no further complications.

    I plugged the iron in, turned it on, the display flashed briefly then quickly went out, and no further signs of life. I measured the primary switching device and it read a near-short from gate to source, so I took it out to verify, but there was no more short either on it, or onto the board. I put the IRF840 back in, removed the 15k resistor and the iron turned on no problem. This must have been the work of some protection circuit... Checking the datasheet of the OB2202 controller showed that it's got an overvoltage protection, which is sensed from the auxiliary winding thru R10 and R11 on the board. Since the aux winding is 1:1 with the secondary, R11 needed to be adjusted down by the same ratio as R24, to change the OVP threshold so it does not trigger at 24 volts output. This solved to an extra 91k resistor in parallel to R11, which I soldered on top of it like for the other one. After this modification was done, the power supply stayed on at 24V.

    The output voltage is now 24.14 volts, which should give roughly 66 watts output. This iron was pretty good until now, now it is GREAT! Heats up in no time and handles everything I throw at it with ease. Can't wait to pick up the package with the different tips!

    Thus, I present you the "Extra Crispy" mod, because what name would be more fitting for a soldering iron called "Bakon"!
    in picture 4 where are you measuring the output voltage thanks

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      #17
      Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

      output voltages are on the connector leading to the controller/display pcb - look at the schematics i posted.

      btw, if any cap is going to fit, it's a Panasonic FS
      eeufs1v102L
      farnel:2766954
      RS:145-8557 (x10)

      but they werent cheap last time i checked!

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        #18
        Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

        so uN1Qu3,
        what tips did you order??

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          #19
          Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

          Originally posted by stj View Post
          output voltages are on the connector leading to the controller/display pcb - look at the schematics i posted.

          btw, if any cap is going to fit, it's a Panasonic FS
          eeufs1v102L
          farnel:2766954
          RS:145-8557 (x10)

          but they werent cheap last time i checked!
          i have got 2 rubycon 35v 680uf 35ZLH680MEFC10X23 Th3_uN1Qu3 suggested may work whats your thoughts? and thanks i missed the schematic

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            #20
            Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

            my thoughts are no.
            if your increasing the output then your increasing the ripple as the tip switches, so you really dont want to be reducing the ripple handling - and that is going to be tied to the capacitance / can-size.

            the datasheet is interesting, the chip can run from 20 to 130KHz!!!
            i wonder what it runs at in this circuit.
            at the higher end, you may be able to use Polymer caps!!
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            Last edited by stj; 08-29-2018, 09:46 AM.

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              #21
              Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

              looking at the fet datasheet and the controller schem, you should use a 12v zener - or even a 14v one.
              at 5v the gate resistance is twice what it is at 10v.

              if your going to clamp the gate pullup at 5v then forget the diode and re-route the pullup from the 24v rail to the 5v rail.

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                #22
                Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

                can size on rubycon 3mm bigger, but ripple is lower Ripple Current 2250mA
                like you say the panasonic is 2470ma so yes higher
                i wonder what the ripple current is on the caps that are in now.

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                  #23
                  Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

                  probably surprisingly good.
                  chinese c(r)aps actually often have decent specs, the problem is the unreliable lifespan.
                  i may have listed the specs in my review.

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                    #24
                    Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

                    Originally posted by vinceroger69 View Post
                    in picture 4 where are you measuring the output voltage thanks
                    Straight onto the output caps. Actually was tricky holding both probes with one hand and the phone with the other.

                    Originally posted by stj View Post
                    looking at the fet datasheet and the controller schem, you should use a 12v zener - or even a 14v one.
                    at 5v the gate resistance is twice what it is at 10v.

                    if your going to clamp the gate pullup at 5v then forget the diode and re-route the pullup from the 24v rail to the 5v rail.
                    I am using the zener in series to drop voltage, not from gate to source where it would be clamping. Hence why cutting a trace. In this case gate drive is very close to the original value of 19 volts (24-5.1 = 18.9).
                    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                    Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                    A working TV? How boring!

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                      #25
                      Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

                      So I know it's quite an old post but I did the mod with my bakkon 950D, I changed R11 to 22k resistor and R24 to 3.3k , I added the zener diode on the gate of the mosfet. Now here goes the problem, I changed the temp to full throttle around 450C on the display but with a thermoouple on the tip I'm getting max 320C degrees. Then I switch it off.. switch back on and it's not turning on.. what I did realise was if I fully discharge the primary eletrolytic it turns back on. So I think something is going on with the OB2202. I thought it could well be a problem we need the current sense resisor on the primary but I don't thin that's the problem. I'll wait for your advise see what's going on.. it's a pain in the ass to have it working, turn off then back on and it's not turning on unless you discharge the primary electrolytic.

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                        #26
                        Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

                        russian guys changed the overcurrent sense level - that's probably it.

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                          #27
                          Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

                          Originally posted by stj View Post
                          russian guys changed the overcurrent sense level - that's probably it.
                          Yeah that's what I thought. So what do I have missing? need to add 2.3ohms resistor but where? not quite sure.

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                            #28
                            Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

                            What about this I took it from a russian blog
                            Attached Files

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                              #29
                              Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

                              Originally posted by dssence View Post
                              So I know it's quite an old post but I did the mod with my bakkon 950D, I changed R11 to 22k resistor and R24 to 3.3k , I added the zener diode on the gate of the mosfet. Now here goes the problem, I changed the temp to full throttle around 450C on the display but with a thermoouple on the tip I'm getting max 320C degrees. Then I switch it off.. switch back on and it's not turning on.. what I did realise was if I fully discharge the primary eletrolytic it turns back on. So I think something is going on with the OB2202. I thought it could well be a problem we need the current sense resisor on the primary but I don't thin that's the problem. I'll wait for your advise see what's going on.. it's a pain in the ass to have it working, turn off then back on and it's not turning on unless you discharge the primary electrolytic.
                              what is the line voltage in your country? as i see this quote on page one of this thread
                              (No need to change current limiting resistor in primary, maybe with 110V input it is necessary but for European mains voltage, no issue.)

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                                #30
                                Re: Bakon 950D "Extra Crispy" mod (19->24 Volt)

                                Originally posted by vinceroger69 View Post
                                what is the line voltage in your country? as i see this quote on page one of this thread
                                (No need to change current limiting resistor in primary, maybe with 110V input it is necessary but for European mains voltage, no issue.)
                                Hi it's 220volts here. but still I got this issue, about not turning on. Having to discharge primary electrolyitc 100uf x 400volts to restart.

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