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New members that have activated their accounts have limited access to certain features of the site until established. Members with zero posts have no access to the private messaging system. Also, members with zero posts may not edit certain profile attributes, such as signatures. New members also may not create new threads. However, new members with zero posts have full access to all technical information contained on this forum, and that also includes attachments (images and files that other members have uploaded), and new members that have activated their accounts are free to post replies to existing threads. If you wish to create a new thread, the fix is simple! All you need is ONE post to be able to have full unrestricted access, and that can be simply posting an introduction of yourself or say hello in THIS THREAD. This may seem a little strange, but it helps keep spam and abuse curved. Please note, that it may take up to one hour from your first post for the limits to be removed. If you make a post and don't immediately see the restrictions gone, be patient. The promotion system updates every hour.
Please complete your profile after making your first post, with your name, locale, and other info. It's nice to know members on a first name basis, and know where they're from. Makes for a much friendlier environment!
Posting rules for this forum will be STRICTLY enforced by myself as the owner/administrator, and my moderator crew.
Badcaps.net IS A BUSINESS!!! If you are a servicer, service center, or vendor of any kind in the computer/capacitor industry, you are NOT permitted to advertise, link, promote, or plug your business on this forum in ANY way! NO EXCEPTIONS!! This includes asking for "donations" in exchange for BIOS passwords or tech advice for anything! If I see you doing that, your post will be edited or deleted, and you warned. If it happens again, you will be banned. The only exceptions are the references to the companies quoted in the FAQ which the administration have added for the convenience of those around the world who have difficulty to source caps for their repair.
This also includes using this forum's private message system to solicit business. Members, if you receive a PM from anyone offering repair services or components, please alert me immediately! Myself or any of my moderators, will never private message a user soliciting business, for Badcaps.net, or any other servicer/vendor. If you PM me about repairing your device, I will reply and take care of you, however, I will not message you first.
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Posting rules:
This forum was created to be a technical support forum primarily for the do-it-yourselfers who choose to repair their own boards. Any and all technical questions are welcome!
1) Please use the SEARCH feature!! Your question may have been answered in another thread! Please search first and see if it has!
2) When posting a technical question, be as detailed as possible in your thread. The more information we have about your specific problem, the better we can answer your question.
3) Please use COMPLETE sentences, punctuation, and grammar! Nobody is perfect, hence, a spelling error on occasion is no biggie. However, posts/threads that are unreadable will be deleted. This includes any and all forms of 'ebonics', leet, chatroom jargon, and 'text message' shorthand and slang. This forum is not a chatroom/text message, please use full words and complete sentences.
4) Keep discussion on topic!! DO NOT HIJACK THREADS! It's easy to do (I've done it myself a few times...) Lets try to keep it down to a minimal!! If you have something really off topic, that's what the lounge is for!
5) Keep things civil! There will be no tolerance for flaming, bashing, hateful remarks, racial remarks, adult material of ANY kind, and so on.
6) THE LOUNGE RULES! The lounge is a place for off topic chit-chat! If you post something that might be considered questionable or something you don't want kids to see, or something you can't view at work/school, etc, please label that thread *NWS* or NOT WORK SAFE in the thread title as a warning. The Lounge is NOT moderated, anything is welcome... Feel free to post rants, jokes, cars, hot women (remember the NWS warning in the title), or just about anything within reason. It's an open forum! Please refrain from participating in political topics if you have thin skin, they can get heated sometimes!! Remember that we have members here from all over the world, with many different views and cultures. Political debates can turn really ugly, and really fast, and if they degrade to personal attacks and useless banter/bashing, moderator action will ensue. I want this forum to be a safe haven for technical discussions from all walks of life, so lets keep off topic discussions civil and friendly.
7) Spamming and spammers will NOT be tolerated or accepted in any way, shape, or form! Spam bots are instantly and permanently banned, and their threads deleted! The mod crew is really quick to zap spammers, we typically pop them before they even get to post. This also includes regular members as well. be courteous and not post spam. This includes links to off-site information that's not relevant to the thread at hand. Do not plug other websites, forums, or businesses in your signatures. You may do so in a thread if the off-site link you're posting is relevant to the topic, but otherwise, don't do it. If you see a thread which clearly a spam bot posting that we have not removed yet, DO NOT click any links in it!! Simply click the 'report bad post' button, and it'll be taken care of, usually within minutes.
8) Account removals & closures: Since no personal information is given in the creation of your Badcaps.net Forum account, requests to remove and/or delete accounts will be declined. Any requests for removal of threads & posts you created will also be declined. The reason is the missing posts can/will leave threads incomplete and fragmented. For the threads to be of help to others later on, information can't and won't be missing. However, if you inadvertently posted personal identifiable information in a post (such as an email address, real name, or phone number), please contact a staff member. In those cases, the post may be edited or removed, at the staff members discretion.
That's about it for the rules, the setup here is pretty loose. However, if you're caught violating any of the rules above, here's what will happen:
First offense: Warning by me or a moderator
Second offense: Banning for 1 day
Third offense: Banning for 3 days
Fourth offense: Banned permanently.
If you do something really dumb, or are just a troll, I will skip the warning and the temporary banning, and ban you permanently!
The rules are pretty cut and dry... However, if you have any questions about this policy, feel free to contact me.
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Re: New Software Achi LY by PSOFT
The software works fine with my station (https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...t=60563&page=2 #32) , usually I put the bottom thermocouple directly on the heating element surface because I think if this thermocouple is placed on motherboard's bottom surface when the top heater goes on , its power sends off-scale the bottom pid.
Where you place the bottom thermocouple ?
thanks
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Re: New Software Achi LY by PSOFT
use you a direct com port or usb to serial adapter ?
have you set the com port on device manager ? (baud , etc)
what type of OS you have installed ?
on which soldering station do you want to use this software?
on many station (after you have resolve the connect issue) need to make some change.
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Re: New Software Achi LY by PSOFT
This software is made only for use with bga rework machine as achi or similar , with a modified hardware. Other use are not recommended.
The goal of this software is that it can drive the bottom heater directly with the thermocouple placed directly on the bottom layer of the motherboard in the same place as the thermocouple on the top heater.
I don't know your purpose about it's use
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Re: New Software Achi LY by PSOFT
Originally posted by jasko_jacker View PostThis software is made only for use with bga rework machine as achi or similar , with a modified hardware.Originally posted by PeteS in CARemember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
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Re: New Software Achi LY by PSOFT
Usually in many bga rework machine (chinese brand) the top heater is
drived by altec p410 and bottom heater by rex-c100 (on the internet many altec or rex are clones) but
while the upper heater is operated by the altec that follows the set profiles, the temperature of the lower heater gradually changes from min to max, regardless of the temperature on the motherboard.
Instead, this software drive the bottom heater to generate a temperature on the bottom layer of motherboard proportionally to a temperature on top layer.
The circuits of the controllers are separated, each one has a digital relay and an input for the thermocouple, but only the altec has a rs232 port and therefore a software can only drive the top heater.
With an easy modification you can solve this problem and use the psoft program. To avoid errors in temperature it is important that the two temocouples are positioned on the same point, or very close; one on top and the other on the bottom layer
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Re: New Software Achi LY by PSOFT
I have a 3-zone station, top and bottom hot air heaters. So i have two PC410s, one for the top, one for the bottom heater, and a third controller that looks like a Chinese rex-c100 but is branded Honton (the makers of the station), which controls the IR plates around the bottom heater. From what you are saying i understand that this modification is for the bottom plates controller, for people who only have a 2-zone station. With a 3-zone (especially with hot air like mine is), the IR plates play a lesser role, they are just there so large boards do not deform because of the temperature difference between the chip you are soldering and the rest of the board. I am happy with my Honton the way it is from the factory.
The only thing that's bothering me about it is that the internal fans are too loud and i think they should be off when the station is on but just idling (interestingly, they turn off completely when the station is switched in preheat/board drying mode where just the bottom plates are getting power), but i understand that adding an extra temperature sensor and control circuit for those fans would have upped the production cost and thus maybe i would not have been able to afford it, it took me 6 months to save up for it. I can modify it myself.
The makeshift station i had built and used for the past 5 years also used hot air for the top heater (i bought BGA nozzles for my hot air wand), and IMHO air does a better job than IR.
Temperature monitoring on a hot air station is more accurate since any accidental airflow from a door opening or closing or someone moving around does not disturb it. The airflow of the heaters creates pressure pushing the BGA on the board, ensuring a sturdy connection and eliminating the risk of the BGA package warping, and i don't need to stick any of that pesky aluminum tape anywhere (except securing the thermocouple) as i can change the top heater nozzle to suit the size of the chip. While developing the profiles i have experimented with various boards, including one that has the PCH right next to the CMOS battery holder. There was absolutely no deformation on the battery holder, with no aluminum tape to cover it. This would have been impossible with an IR machine because you can't exactly replace the top plate for every size of chip.
IR is better at replacing big parts with plastic in them, like slots, connectors and sockets, because you can get large top heaters relatively cheap.Last edited by Th3_uN1Qu3; 03-13-2018, 03:05 AM.Originally posted by PeteS in CARemember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
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Re: New Software Achi LY by PSOFT
Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View PostI have a 3-zone station, top and bottom hot air heaters. So i have two PC410s, one for the top, one for the bottom heater, and a third controller that looks like a Chinese rex-c100 but is branded Honton (the makers of the station), which controls the IR plates around the bottom heater. From what you are saying i understand that this modification is for the bottom plates controller, for people who only have a 2-zone station. With a 3-zone (especially with hot air like mine is), the IR plates play a lesser role, they are just there so large boards do not deform because of the temperature difference between the chip you are soldering and the rest of the board. I am happy with my Honton the way it is from the factory.
The only thing that's bothering me about it is that the internal fans are too loud and i think they should be off when the station is on but just idling (interestingly, they turn off completely when the station is switched in preheat/board drying mode where just the bottom plates are getting power), but i understand that adding an extra temperature sensor and control circuit for those fans would have upped the production cost and thus maybe i would not have been able to afford it, it took me 6 months to save up for it. I can modify it myself.
The makeshift station i had built and used for the past 5 years also used hot air for the top heater (i bought BGA nozzles for my hot air wand), and IMHO air does a better job than IR.
Temperature monitoring on a hot air station is more accurate since any accidental airflow from a door opening or closing or someone moving around does not disturb it. The airflow of the heaters creates pressure pushing the BGA on the board, ensuring a sturdy connection and eliminating the risk of the BGA package warping, and i don't need to stick any of that pesky aluminum tape anywhere (except securing the thermocouple) as i can change the top heater nozzle to suit the size of the chip. While developing the profiles i have experimented with various boards, including one that has the PCH right next to the CMOS battery holder. There was absolutely no deformation on the battery holder, with no aluminum tape to cover it. This would have been impossible with an IR machine because you can't exactly replace the top plate for every size of chip.
IR is better at replacing big parts with plastic in them, like slots, connectors and sockets, because you can get large top heaters relatively cheap.
Because the infrared spectrum is very wide (see the pic) The problem is that many ir plates do not generate the best frequency to penetrate the chip material and most of the heat is generated by air heating rather than electromagnetic waves-
This software has many advantages for example permit to change the temp on the fly without generate a new profile.
See this machine, it use focused IR and at the moment I think is the best but very expensive.
http://www.pdr-rework.com/
https://www.mektronics.com.au/solder...-equipment/pdr
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Re: New Software Achi LY by PSOFT
Originally posted by Hampy View Posthello,
I´wont want driving a BGA rework maschine, I only need a temperatur controlling software for the PC 410 in englisch or german, a so called ramp controlling software for my kiln.
Thanks
AL808 communication protocol
http://www.altec.cc/english/downloads.htm
AL808 communication test software
http://www.altec.cc/DownloadFile/AL808TEST.rar
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Re: New Software Achi LY by PSOFT
Originally posted by jasko_jacker View PostYou have right but both technology works well if the machine is build well.
Because the infrared spectrum is very wide (see the pic) The problem is that many ir plates do not generate the best frequency to penetrate the chip material and most of the heat is generated by air heating rather than electromagnetic waves-
This software has many advantages for example permit to change the temp on the fly without generate a new profile.
When you're doing 8-10 year old laptops for $60 a job (and that's best case, a lot of times here you have to work for less or the client runs away), and you're getting 10, maybe 15 rework jobs a month... you're gonna recoup that investment in over 2 years, which is a long time when your country is currently governed by thieves, all prices are rising and pay is less and less.
I never said all IR machines are bad, we are talking about the affordable Chinese rework stations here. Even if i had that kind of money to spend (there's a chance i never will), i would invest it in a different kind of business.Originally posted by PeteS in CARemember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
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