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  • Beowulf
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 175
    • USA
    #1

    Analog meter

    Hi,
    I'd like to order an analog multimeter but there are so many to chose from and also price variations so I though i'd ask the experts.
    Here is what an ebay search brought

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...at=0&_from=R40

    Of course i want something inexpensive that can do the work.

    I have a cheap digital mm, capwizard esr and soon will add more to the tools bin.

    Thanks
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    • smason
      Badcaps Legend
      • Feb 2010
      • 1652
      • Canada
      #2
      Re: Analog meter

      Simpson used to be the Cadillac of meters. Most used ones are pretty old but still good. Sunwa are also good.
      36 Monitors, 3 TVs, 4 Laptops, 1 motherboard, 1 Printer, 1 iMac, 2 hard drive docks and one IP Phone repaired so far....

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        • Beowulf
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2012
          • 175
          • USA
          #3
          Re: Analog meter

          Thanks for your reply Smason. Looks like I'll order this one:

          http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunwa-YX360-...item2ec222e500

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            • retiredcaps
              Badcaps Legend
              • Apr 2010
              • 9271
              #4
              Re: Analog meter

              Originally posted by Beowulf
              Looks like I'll order this one:

              http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunwa-YX360-...item2ec222e500
              FAKE! FAKE!

              See

              http://overseas.sanwa-meter.co.jp/te...ionwarning.php

              It is Sanwa, not Sunwa.
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                • Beowulf
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 175
                  • USA
                  #5
                  Re: Analog meter

                  Oh gee, thanks.

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                    • retiredcaps
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 9271
                      #6
                      Re: Analog meter

                      As I suggested in your other thread

                      https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=25106

                      you should consider getting a good multimeter that can measure capacitance and has an analog bar graph.

                      The VC6013 is $23.74 + $6.99 shipping. The fake/counterfeit Sunwa is $17.99 + 4.99 shipping. The total for both is $53.71 for dubious goods at best.

                      For $53.71, you can get an used Fluke 115 off ebay in that price range. It will support capacitance measurements up to 9999uF and has an analog bar graph. The 115 will measure down to the nanofarad range.

                      If you really want an analog multimeter, than the real Sanwa can be purchased from an authorized dealer in Canada

                      http://www.bhumika.ca/instrumentatio.../yx-360trf.htm
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                        • smason
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 1652
                          • Canada
                          #7
                          Re: Analog meter

                          Originally posted by retiredcaps
                          FAKE! FAKE!

                          See

                          http://overseas.sanwa-meter.co.jp/te...ionwarning.php

                          It is Sanwa, not Sunwa.
                          Oops missed that. Good catch!
                          36 Monitors, 3 TVs, 4 Laptops, 1 motherboard, 1 Printer, 1 iMac, 2 hard drive docks and one IP Phone repaired so far....

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                            • Beowulf
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 175
                              • USA
                              #8
                              Re: Analog meter

                              Very explanatory. thanks.

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                                • retiredcaps
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Apr 2010
                                  • 9271
                                  #9
                                  Re: Analog meter

                                  1) I only comment on what I have used or own. The Fluke 117 is equivalent to the 115 except the 117 adds non contact voltage feature.

                                  2) A video review of the Fluke 117 is at (done by Dave Jones @ eevblog.com)

                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k9nVg03Wi4

                                  3) Another choice in the $50 ish dollar price range, with patience on ebay, is an used Fluke 77 IV. Like the 115, it measures capacitance and has an analog bargraph.

                                  https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24239

                                  4) The Fluke 77 IV and 170 series has almost identical internal components so this video review applies. In Martin's video, he talks about the bargraph. Martin also owns a 115 so you can see it in action in the same video.

                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoqF3...CD696&index=18

                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm3Zv...CD696&index=19

                                  5) It is, however, unlikely you will find a Fluke 170 series multimeter in the $50 range unless it is mispriced or broken.
                                  Last edited by retiredcaps; 12-26-2012, 10:06 PM. Reason: typos
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                                    • LDSisHere
                                      Badcaps Veteran
                                      • May 2012
                                      • 727
                                      • U.S.A.
                                      #10
                                      Re: Analog meter

                                      I just recently bought a used Fluke 77 IV and I am extremely happy with it. I have a thread on it in this section of the forum if you are interested. I was wanting a capacitor tester in a multimeter I could use and this fits the bill quite nicely. I despise the Fluke 117, I bought one for the capacitor tester feature before getting my 77 and could not stand it. I practically gave it away because I hated it so much. If you need to measure in the pF range then neither of these meters will do that but the Fluke 179 will if I am not mistaken but they are on the expensive side even when bought used.

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                                        • retiredcaps
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                                          • Apr 2010
                                          • 9271
                                          #11
                                          Re: Analog meter

                                          Originally posted by LDSisHere
                                          I have a thread on it in this section of the forum if you are interested.
                                          Way ahead of you. See point #3 in post #9. With respect to such topics, I rarely, miss out any relevant information!!

                                          I despise the Fluke 117, I bought one for the capacitor tester feature before getting my 77 and could not stand it.
                                          No, you despise the Fluke 113.

                                          The Fluke 114, 115, 116 and 117 operate differently from the Fluke 113. I will advise people to stay clear of the 114. It, inexplicably, does not have a diode test function which is a requirement for troubleshooting.

                                          If you need to measure in the pF range then neither of these meters will do that but the Fluke 179 will if I am not mistaken but they are on the expensive side even when bought used.
                                          The Fluke 170 series does not measure down to the pF range.

                                          For the purposes of troubleshooting/repairing TVs, LCDs, etc here on badcaps, we rarely need to measure down to the pF range.
                                          Last edited by retiredcaps; 12-27-2012, 12:45 AM.
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                                            • retiredcaps
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                                              • Apr 2010
                                              • 9271
                                              #12
                                              Re: Analog meter

                                              I haven't used them personally, but I recommend avoiding the Fluke 15B and 17B. They are not authorized for sale and there is no support for them outside China.

                                              They are well built as per teardown by Dave Jones @ eevblog, but for the asking price (ebay) $80 and $100 respectively, you have a lot of options.
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                                                • 2andrewd
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                                                  • Mar 2012
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                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Analog meter

                                                  I would add not to bother with an analog meter that uses less than a 9v with 2 additional AA's- many times the purpose of using an analog meter is the ability to apply higher voltage needed to test certain transistors etc.

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                                                    • popeye
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                                                      • May 2011
                                                      • 155
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: Analog meter

                                                      There is only one analogue multi meter The Avo 8 this was the meter designed by thorn the makers of Ferguson TV all the measurements on the circuit diagrams were with reference to this meter very old but on eBay around £50.

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                                                        • LDSisHere
                                                          Badcaps Veteran
                                                          • May 2012
                                                          • 727
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                                                          #15
                                                          Re: Analog meter

                                                          Originally posted by retiredcaps
                                                          No, you despise the Fluke 113.
                                                          Oops! You are correct. I have no clue about the 117.

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                                                            • DerStrom8
                                                              Techie
                                                              • Dec 2012
                                                              • 76
                                                              • United States
                                                              #16
                                                              Re: Analog meter

                                                              May I inquire as to why you want an analog one, rather than a digital one?

                                                              Flukes are definitely high-end DMMs. However, a lot of people aren't quite prepared to spend a lot of money on a multimeter. Depending on what you plan to use it for, you may only need a basic $30 meter. If you are a computer technician/repairman, you may want, and be able to afford, a Fluke, but if you're just a hobbyist I recommend the Craftsman meter available at Kmart. I bought one of these 5-6 years ago and it's still going strong. I give it a great review:



                                                              If you really must have an analog meter, I recommend Simpson as well. They have been around since the 1920's and have never produced anything short of top-of-the-line products. The university at which I work uses WWII-era Simpsons and they still work great. They are highly recommended meters. You can't really go too far wrong with a Simpson!

                                                              Best wishes and kind regards,
                                                              Matt

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                                                                • retiredcaps
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                                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                                  • 9271
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Re: Analog meter

                                                                  Originally posted by popeye
                                                                  The Avo 8 this was the meter designed by thorn the makers of Ferguson TV
                                                                  Mike did a teardown of an Avo 8.

                                                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeNBN...cmCHyA&index=1
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                                                                    • retiredcaps
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                                                                      Re: Analog meter

                                                                      For those interested more about AVO, I found a forum that talks about them at

                                                                      http://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/f...splay.php?f=36
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                                                                        • Beowulf
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                                                                          • Dec 2012
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Re: Analog meter

                                                                          Hi Guys,
                                                                          Thanks for all the good information.
                                                                          I guess I'll just try to get me a used Simpson.

                                                                          The reason I want an analog meter is because some measurements can only be taken with an analog meter as Jestine Yong states on his smps ebook.

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                                                                            • retiredcaps
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                                                                              • Apr 2010
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Re: Analog meter

                                                                              Originally posted by Beowulf
                                                                              The reason I want an analog meter is because some measurements can only be taken with an analog meter as Jestine Yong states on his smps ebook.
                                                                              I haven't read his book, but I have seen samples of it.

                                                                              If you want an analog multimeter, Simpson would be a good choice for USA members.

                                                                              I'm no SMPS guru by any means, but after 2.75 years of participation here, I can assure you that we, the regulars, have never asked anyone to use an analog multimeter for any kind of troubleshooting in the SMPS area.

                                                                              The most likely things in a SMPS to fail are, in no particular order,

                                                                              bad caps, open fuse, shorted bridge rectifier, shorted power mosfet, open resistor, shorted diode, dodgy solder joints, and conductive glue

                                                                              All the above can be tested with a digital multimeter.

                                                                              On the rare occasion, we have asked or suggested that an oscilloscope might be useful.
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