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    I've been looking to upgrade my Presario, which has an Amethyst MS-7184 mobo. Problem is, after acquiring as much information as I could about the limitations of this board. I have hit a wall.
    I have found that even though a bios upgrade can rectify some compatibility problems it doesn't change the version of my mobo. The versions I've found support different max size CPU's.
    But what I can't find is which version supports which CPU?!? The mobo ver. I've found are, Version 1.x, ver. 1.0 ROHS, ver. B. I know that ROHS can stand for a compliance rule, such as "Restriction of hazardous substances" but that is an environmental issue. I'm talking technical issues. Anyway my point...

    I have found at one web site that the ms-7184 can support up to an "Athlon 64 X2 4800+" but did not mention the mobo ver.. On another web site they stated that the ms-7184 can only support up to an "Athlon 64. 4200" likewise did not mention the version. In actuality there were a great number of websites that kinda of contradicted each other. However. HP states that the mobo can utilize the X2 4800 and makes no mention of the different versions they've used. On the other hand MSI states both facts, but in different places. So MSI has contradicted it's on product. I'm usually very good at deciphering what I need to know, I'm the sort, that researches until I'm absolutely positive before I make a move.
    Any help at all would be appreciated.- Thanks-
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    Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

    There is no 4200 that is not X2.

    The maximum 939 single you can get is 4000+
    X2's are 4800+

    They look the same, but I think some descriptions did not get ported over although MSI.de has it saying 4000+, and HP's version says 4800+

    upgrade to the latest bios, i'd say but no promises. I know the chipset (ATI RS482) supports them. And 4800+'s are very hard to come by except maybe from china and thats shady.

    you might want to consider just building something new that isn't from the 2005 era.
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      #3
      Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

      yes, the motherboard version refers to the hardware revision of the board and u cant change that. it simply refers to the revision number of the board as they made different ms-7184 boards with different configs and different types of hardware options onboard or reduced hardware options to reduce cost. to help u in figuring this out, try to see if hp actually sold a presario with an athlon 64 x2 4800+ from the factory or on their website before.

      but given yea its quite old and upgrading oem stuff is literally like taking a gamble at a casino. even if u win, they wont let u leave with the money. even if the 4800+ works, there's no guarantee something else would crap out instead after upgrading. there have been a number of cases of the ati chipset failing on here and u cant really do much with an athlon 64 these days, unless that machine is for some legacy purpose for old school stuff?
      Last edited by ChaosLegionnaire; 02-17-2019, 03:36 AM.

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        #4
        Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

        [older hardware]

        Originally posted by Uranium-235
        and I am sad for you
        Why? If it fits the user's needs, then it would be silly to waste time/money "upgrading" to something that EXCEEDS them!

        In talking with my colleagues, I find that those of us that actually "do real work" (CAD, EDA, multimedia, etc.) with our machines are far less likely to upgrade. Partly because upgrades represent down-time (which has real $ costs) and partly because we know the NEW machine will similarly "need" to be upgraded. We learn to work smarter instead of being impatient and "demanding" instant results from our machines.

        Do I really care how many billions of instructions the machine executes WHILE IT WAITS FOR ME TO TYPE THE NEXT KEYSTROKE/MOUSECLICK?

        [I wiped a bunch of U320 drives, today -- one at a time. It would take the same amount of time to wipe them on a 10 year old computer as it would on a 10 DAY old computer. I invested exactly 3 minutes of my time for each disk -- to install it in the external enclosure and type "wipe sd4". Then, go about my OTHER business while it's busy doing that!]

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          #5
          Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

          yes, i'm sick of people calling old machines shit - if they run a browser and can read a usb memory stick then 95% of computer users are fine.

          i had a guy last week, talking about butchering an i3 machine just because he wanted a fucking heatsink!!
          i said dont even think about it, give me the system and i'l give you a fucking heatsink bigger than you need!!

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            #6
            Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

            It's a 939 socket not that it matters now! Original post list an Athlon 64 4200+ was a typo should have

            been 64 4000+.

            I'm upgrading this unit for a friend that has sentimental reasons to keep it. If this bothers anyone in the

            community then don't bother to answer as I didn't come here to be spammed by pissed off know-it-

            alls. I came here for real solutions. So in that interest THANKS to. Sparky 55, stj, Curious.George,

            obviously there aren't many guys like you left thanks. Furthermore to the others I hope one day soon

            you'll need help and get the same type pissed on peeps to piss on you!

            Thanks for nothing:-)

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              #7
              Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

              i have an asus 939 board - i consider it a good board.
              just saying.
              infact i wish it had a 4000 cpu. i think it's only a 3400

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                thread tidied up at OP's request.
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                  Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

                  Originally posted by stj View Post
                  yes, i'm sick of people calling old machines shit - if they run a browser and can read a usb memory stick then 95% of computer users are fine.

                  i had a guy last week, talking about butchering an i3 machine just because he wanted a fucking heatsink!!
                  i said dont even think about it, give me the system and i'l give you a fucking heatsink bigger than you need!!
                  big difference between an i3 and a 939 DDR system. But now that it's clear it was for sentimental value, well, I already posted a fair bit of helpful information (and spent a lot of time researching it) and did suggest an upgrade toward the end, still no thanks so fuck this guy.

                  I only suggest upgrading something if it's really very old and runs down a money hole. Of course sentimental value isn't really relevant in this circumstance.
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                    #10
                    Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

                    well some +points for the 939

                    no efi bios,
                    no high-level spyware in said bios or chipset.
                    LOTS of expansion slots
                    lots of connectivity.

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                      #11
                      Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

                      back during the core 2 era in 2008, my only system, a p4 rig failed. spent about 500 bucks trying to get it back into working order. turns out, it was the mobo that had failed after buying a new psu and expensive new agp video card. replacing the failed mobo was not possible as all s478 boards were eol and unavailable in my country by that time. if i had someone to tell me the p4 system was a dead end, i would have put the 500 bucks saved into a better core 2 system instead.

                      lesson learnt, we cannot read the OP's mind nor can we see into the future on what will happen. the OP should have stated everything up front what the purpose of the machine is for in his first post not in the sixth post! we can only advise him based on the info that he provided then that its not worth it financially, taking a gamble on a costly a64 x2 4800+ cpu upgrade that may not work unless the computer is for legacy purposes or sentimental reasons like he said.

                      another point to consider is that the a64 x2 4800+ is a 110w tdp cpu which makes it quite a power hungry cpu. knowing oem computers or accounting for the typical design of oem computers, they tend to use an underrated psu at times. so the things to consider and balance against are: what if the mobo's cpu vrm cant handle the 110w load? that will actually shorten the mobo's lifespan and cause it to fail. what if the psu cant handle the additional power draw of the 110w cpu? that will also shorten the lifespan of the computer components.

                      u dont want to "improve" something in the computer only to cause something else to break in the process aka calculated risks. we dont know what the oem maker designed the mobo and psu to handle so we can only make an educated guess.

                      as a final word, i recommend the OP keep the computer as-is since its for sentimental reasons. the a64 4000+ (2.4 ghz) is the fastest non-fx single core cpu. if u want any faster, its the a64 fx-55 (2.6 ghz) or the a64 fx-57 (2.8 ghz). both are 110w tdp cpus tho, so they'd be out of the question.
                      Originally posted by stj View Post
                      infact i wish it had a 4000 cpu.
                      get on ebay then and look for an a64 4000+. i got a 4000+ (san diego core) just last week for US$12.90 shipped (not including international shipping) to my shipping company's address in oregon. core 2 duo e8600 wolfdales are also going for the same price of around 12 bucks so u could get both! lol...

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                        #12
                        Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

                        Originally posted by Uranium-235 View Post
                        big difference between an i3 and a 939 DDR system. But now that it's clear it was for sentimental value, well, I already posted a fair bit of helpful information (and spent a lot of time researching it) and did suggest an upgrade toward the end, still no thanks so fuck this guy.
                        I don't think folks expect respondents to do research for them. Rather, are looking for information that they may already have "on hand". That's the point of relying on others' experience (vs. expecting "free labor").

                        I only suggest upgrading something if it's really very old and runs down a money hole. Of course sentimental value isn't really relevant in this circumstance.
                        Personally, I've never had to "repair" a machine so can't fathom the money pit scenario. I'll increase the memory complement in a box or swap out drives/"cards" but have never had to replace a power supply, CPU, etc. So, the only true maintenance costs (for me) have to do with upgrading software (applications) or peripherals (drivers).

                        [Unfortunately, THAT is a considerable effort]

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                          #13
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                          Originally posted by ChaosLegionnaire View Post
                          lesson learnt, we cannot read the OP's mind nor can we see into the future on what will happen. the OP should have stated everything up front what the purpose of the machine is for in his first post not in the sixth post! we can only advise him based on the info that he provided then that its not worth it financially, taking a gamble on a costly a64 x2 4800+ cpu upgrade that may not work unless the computer is for legacy purposes or sentimental reasons like he said.
                          I disagree. I find it particularly annoying that folks (not just "here") seem more interested in questioning your decision making process ("Why do you want to do THAT?") than answering the question(s) that were posed. This just acts as a distraction that often doesn't bring the OP any closer to a solution -- and is OFTEN a highly subjective issue far beyond the capabilities of another mind to rationalize (because YOUR priorities and values differ from his/hers!)

                          [By way of example, I see folks upgrading machines as wasting lots of time turning the USE OF A TOOL into a "hobby"; when was the last time you upgraded your hammer?? You DO understand that there are huge differences in hammers... are you sure you have the right one for the job at hand?? (I have about 15 different hammers -- cuz each has particular applications!) And, another hammer will only set you back $10-$20... ]

                          And don't get me started on recapping and overclocking...

                          u dont want to "improve" something in the computer only to cause something else to break in the process aka calculated risks. we dont know what the oem maker designed the mobo and psu to handle so we can only make an educated guess.
                          And, if you think about it, the manufacturer (for "commodity devices") likely didn't build much margin into the design (margin == forfeited profit).

                          as a final word, i recommend the OP keep the computer as-is since
                          If you "need" to upgrade, find a cheap "upgrade" computer and put the sentimental one on the shelf with that bowling trophy you won in 6th grade. You can buy i5 SFFs here for $20-$40 (no monitor/keyboard/mouse/OS).

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                            #14
                            Re: Mother board version issue ms-7184

                            I suppose I am a little late to this thread.

                            I have both the MSI MS-7184 (Amethyst M-GL6E) and the MS-7191 (RS482M4-ILD), as shown here and here, respectively.

                            Might seem like these are very different boards... but design-wise, they are very similar. Both of them are OEM boards, as far as I can see (I think one was eMachines and the other Gateway... though I don't remember anymore, as I've disabled the OEM POST screen and enabled the default one with all the info.)

                            In any case, all I can add to this thread is say that the MS-7191 runs my Athlon 64 FX-57 just fine (a 103W TDP CPU). No overheating of the VRM or anything like that. From what I read from the official spec of the MS-7191 mobo, all Athlon 64 CPUs are supported, including the high-end "FX" chips like my FX-57. This means the X2 4800+ should work too - that is, on the 7191 mobo.

                            Since the MS-7184 is very similar to the 7191 in design (especially the CPU VRM), I'd say the hardware is definitely capable or running an X2 4800+. If there is any limitation, it would be in the BIOS only - i.e. if the OEM intentionally made the board not work with certain CPUs in BIOS. With that said, you could go out and try a cheaper X2 4200+ CPU. If it works, chances are a higher-end X2 CPU will work as well. Only suggesting this, since the X2 4800+ are rather expensive now.
                            Last edited by momaka; 02-20-2019, 10:17 PM.

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                              #15
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                              To Icenesis , sory you think this forum has let you down . Were just a bunch of tek people that aproch the tek world from different angels . I say try the fastest 939 socket cpu and see what it does . On being sentimental , yea , its not like the old days when you bought a 19 inch Zenith ( with lots of vacuum tubes ) and kept it for years .

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                                Originally posted by desert-rat View Post
                                To Icenesis , sory you think this forum has let you down.
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