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    Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

    Originally posted by rherber1 View Post
    That is a reasonable suggestion and I had considered it and then abandoned it. My reasoning (based on many years in electronics design and repair of smps) is that while the lower voltage will provide a suitable margin above the working voltage, the physically smaller size of these caps means they have less volume of electrolyte. As it is, manufacturers are constantly trying to reduce the volume of their capacitors in order to occupy less board space and this means there has to be some compromises. Less volume = less electrolyte = less ability to disperse heat = faster drying out and earlier failure.
    If you think about it, so did the originals. That is why it's an acceptable practice. Plus, the PSU companies -would *never* lie- about what those caps are. They would *never* deliberately mislabel a cap just to sell it...



    These are limited lifetime units to boot. They are not intended to last 10 years. 3 years tops unless you go to the uber supplies, which few can afford. Just remember that many of those are built by the same companies that build the HKFA* supplies.

    Installing even a mm larger cap in a lot of these supplies is just not physically possible. Personally, I want to recap it, get it running properly and move to the next item. Redesigning some numb-nuts engineer's wet dream of a PSU, just to fit the proper cap, is not on today's ticket.

    My 2¢

    Toast

    *( HongKongFlyApart Company, LLC. ® )
    Last edited by Toasty; 02-14-2011, 12:14 PM.
    veritas odium parit

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      Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

      Originally posted by Toasty View Post
      These are limited lifetime units to boot. They are not intended to last 10 years. 3 years tops unless you go to the uber supplies, which few can afford. Just remember that many of those are built by the same companies that build the HKFA* supplies.
      Thing is though, if you bought a really good PSU like the Seasonic X Series or the OCZ Z Series or whatever, that will outlast many cheaper and even mid r ange PSUs and see you through many builds. So unless you're doing as we do on here and recap and modify for maximum lifetime then getting one of those uber PSUs can be worth it if all you want to do is install it and leave it for the next 10 years.

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        Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

        True, from our perspective.

        The general public does not have a clue, nor do they care. You start running that spiel about how good it is and it will do this-or-that, and their eyes glaze over. "It's $50, right?" No, they want the whoopee! system that does all this-n-that for $200. They could care less about the power supply. "Well, QVC had it for $425" Don't even try to explain that this system is 3x faster, does more, and will still be running 6 years from now.

        The uber supplies are not readily available at the local computer shop. Most won't carry any unless by special request for a customer. There's no money in it. Especially when the online shops are -selling it- (with FREE shipping) for less than the local shop will -pay for it-. Therefore, exposure to the good stuff is limited. Custom shops are a rarity, and are limited to the garage builder rather than the one in the strip mall.



        Toast
        veritas odium parit

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          Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

          Good points Toasty, this is why I think warranties should be legally required to be 2 years instead of the 1 year it is over here, and that PSU manufacturers should have to display real (not peak) power. Would take a lot of the crap off of the market. Also means that joe bloggs won't be able to get his 550w EZCool or whatever it is these days. Though Dodgy Dave would still be able to get you one down the pub for a tenner that a guy got off the back of a romanian lorry the day before.

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            Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

            Here all warranties have been already extended to 2 years minimum. And romanian lorries sometimes smuggle good stuff.
            Originally posted by PeteS in CA
            Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
            A working TV? How boring!

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              Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

              Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
              Here all warranties have been already extended to 2 years minimum. And romanian lorries sometimes smuggle good stuff.
              I forgot there was a Romanian member on here. Sometimes they do, got to be careful what ends up in the UK though, we get the leftovers.

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                Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

                Well a lot of Romanian women have married UK citizens and moved there... one of my english teachers back in grade school did so. There's a lack of pretty girls in your country. Or shall we call 'em lasses mate?
                Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                A working TV? How boring!

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                  Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

                  Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
                  Well a lot of Romanian women have married UK citizens and moved there... one of my english teachers back in grade school did so. There's a lack of pretty girls in your country. Or shall we call 'em lasses mate?
                  Lack of pretty girls? That's why we have so many pubs! Beer goggles.

                  And as for what to call them, most are pretty lacking in any kind of morality, so you probably won't even need to say much.

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                    Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

                    Originally posted by Rulycat View Post
                    Thing is though, if you bought a really good PSU like the Seasonic X Series or the OCZ Z Series or whatever, that will outlast many cheaper and even mid r ange PSUs and see you through many builds.

                    That's why I replace those dodgy capacitors because I can't afford an All-Star-U-Beaut-Top-Of-The-Range PSU... wish I could but them's the breaks eh?


                    Thought I'd pop in to mention that this PSU is still running flawlessly powering a new (slightly updated) system, on it's second or third system build
                    • A64 3000+ (s754)
                    • Asus KV8-Pro
                    • nVidia Ti 4200
                    • Corsair XMS DDR400


                    Which according to the PSU calculator found HERE requires a 314w peak capacity unit well within the humble output of this rejuvenated Antec
                    Viva LA Retro!

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                      Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

                      Originally posted by tazwegion View Post
                      .... according to the PSU calculator found HERE requires a 314w peak capacity unit well within the humble output of this rejuvenated Antec
                      Them's Tandy watts, buddy.
                      "pokemon go... to hell!"

                      EOL it...
                      Originally posted by shango066
                      All style and no substance.
                      Originally posted by smashstuff30
                      guilty,guilty,guilty,guilty!
                      guilty of being cheap-made!

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                        Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

                        Originally posted by kaboom View Post
                        Them's Tandy watts, buddy.

                        Nah... them's theoretical 100% maximum loading watts, that calculator is only meant to be used as a reference guide
                        Viva LA Retro!

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                          Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

                          Just a quick update, PSU and s754 system still running without issue well after industry dictated obsolescence... it's been 8 years since the initial recap with Samxon Capacitors was carried out.
                          Viva LA Retro!

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                            Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

                            I think most of the 24/7 PSUs I've had to deal with end up spinning a fan bearing before frying caps... but yes plenty of bad caps killing psus too.

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                              Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

                              Originally posted by tazwegion View Post
                              Just a quick update, PSU and s754 system still running without issue well after industry dictated obsolescence... it's been 8 years since the initial recap with Samxon Capacitors was carried out.
                              Yea it's amazing isn't it?
                              I helped a friend recap his Antec PSU many years ago, this one here:
                              https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...ower#post25911

                              The original did not even last 1.5 years!
                              The recapped PSU with Samxon caps has now been going strong for ca 7.5 years!

                              I did actually cheat on the small caps tho (didn't know better back then)
                              So in November last year I had to replace all small caps, 1uF > 220uF
                              Because the PSU would not start at all.
                              Let's see if it will live another 7.5 years now
                              "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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                                Re: Antec TruePower380 & the Fuhjyyu Syndrome

                                Originally posted by Per Hansson View Post
                                Yea it's amazing isn't it?
                                I helped a friend recap his Antec PSU many years ago, this one here:
                                https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...ower#post25911

                                The original did not even last 1.5 years!
                                The recapped PSU with Samxon caps has now been going strong for ca 7.5 years!
                                That is pretty good isn't it? the low air flow can be an issue as we live in a pretty hot part of the country and experience high 30 and low 40's (Celsius) each summer, unfortunately something obstructed the fan on this unit and it began making some odd noise, on disassembly it was nothing more than a stray wire which required a replacement cable tie.

                                I inspected the capacitors whilst blowing 8 years of dust out and noted the 2200uF 16v had a misshapen top (as seen below), a 5 minute fix and all was well although the capacitor hadn't become flaky at this point...


                                Current System (powered by this PSU)

                                AMD 4800 x2
                                MSI K9AGM2
                                2 x 1Gb DDR2
                                PCI-E 6600GT
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                                Last edited by tazwegion; 10-09-2014, 06:00 AM.
                                Viva LA Retro!

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