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Old 08-13-2015, 04:11 PM   #1
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Default Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

The following is a list I have compiled of updates pushed for the seamless upgrade from Windows 7 SP1 to Windows 10.
The list has two uses, either you want the free upgrade to Windows 10 and then it confirms what updates you need to have installed.
Or maybe you prefer Windows 7 SP1 or you have a company computer where you want to restrict the upgrade to Windows 10.
In the latter cases you should untick the checkbox "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" in Windows Update.
Follow this link for a post with more details with pictures of that setting.

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KB2952664 Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7
KB2990214 Update that enables you to upgrade from Windows 7 to a later version of Windows
KB3021917 Update to Windows 7 SP1 for performance improvements (Telemetry)
KB3035583 Update installs Get Windows 10 app in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1 (GWX.exe)
KB3068708 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry (Replaces: KB3022345) 
KB3075249 Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7
KB3080149 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry 
KB3123862 Updated capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7
KB3173040 Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1 end of free upgrade offer notification
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KB3161647 Windows Update Client for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: June 2016 (Replaces: KB3138612 KB3135445 KB3112343 KB3083710 KB3083324 KB3075851 KB3065987 & KB3050265)
This last update adds the ability to force Windows to not give the option to update to Windows 10 in the local group policy editor.
gpedit.msc path listed below in italics, further explained in: KB3080351.
I recommend you install it because it also addresses an issue in which system performance can be decreased during scans.
And errors you may encounter with Windows Update.

Computer Configuration > Policies > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update
Double-click "Turn off the upgrade to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update", and enabled the setting.

Please note that Microsoft is constantly revising these updates with the data that the telemetry provides them.
For example KB2952664 is at version 13 as of this writing.
For this reason when you uninstall KB2952664 it might appear that nothing happens because it just reappears again with the only change that the "install date" changes to the current date.
Actually what it's really doing is downgrading from KB2952664-v13 to KB2952664-v12 if you previosuly had version 12 of the update intalled...
This is handled by the WinSxS folder in the Windows directory and during my testing even on high-end machines with SSD's this can take over an hour to complete per update!
For this reason to reduce the size you your WinSxS folder I recommend that you run the following command.
It will remove the files kept to support the uninstallation of Service Pack 1 on your system.
This only applies if you first installed Win7 RTM and then upgraded to SP1, a slipstreamed install will not need this.
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dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /spsuperseded /hidesp
This can also be done in the "Disk Cleanup" interface, select to "Clean up system files" and finally "Service Pack Backup Files"
But this does nothing for the hundreds of updates released after SP1, with Windows 8.1 really powerful dism tools were added to control this.
And thankfully atleast a subset was backported to Win7 with update KB2852386.
When you have this update installed you will be able to select "Windows Update Cleanup" which removes all superseded updates.
Meaning if you currently have version 13 of KB2952664 installed but also the former 12 versions it will remove the former 12 versions.
So this way when you uninstall KB2952664 it will not downgrade to the next older version and so on...
It also goes without saying that antivirus programs and the system restore feature greatly slows down this process.
So you might at least want to disable your real time antivirus scanner until the process is done.

Also note that this list is specific for Win7 SP1, there exists two updates for Win7 RTM aswell, called: KB2977759 & KB3163589.
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Last edited by Per Hansson; 07-02-2016 at 10:16 AM.. Reason: Changelog: 2015 August: KB3080149, KB3075249 & KB3065987 September: KB3083324 October: KB3083710 2016 February: KB3123862, KB3112343 & KB3135445 March: KB3138612 June: KB3161647, KB3173040 &am
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Old 08-13-2015, 06:38 PM   #2
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

This is good to know.

My computer has all of these except KB3068708 (it still has KB3022345 instead) and KB3035583 installed.

KB2952664 keeps appearing in Windows Update, even though it's already installed. Updating the updates could explain that. Also, it won't uninstall. Attempting to uninstall it just causes the date it was installed on to change.
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Old 08-13-2015, 08:34 PM   #3
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

anymore, I do Win7 SP1 and then disable all updates thereafter. so sad that windows has come to this.
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Old 08-13-2015, 11:25 PM   #4
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

so "telemetry" is ms new word for spying i see.
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Old 08-14-2015, 12:50 AM   #5
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

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KB2952664 keeps appearing in Windows Update, even though it's already installed. Updating the updates could explain that. Also, it won't uninstall. Attempting to uninstall it just causes the date it was installed on to change.
You might need to uninstall it up to 13 times, since removing for example the latest KB2952664-v13 update would mean going back to KB2952664-v10 if you had previously installed that update.
Please try it and see if I'm correct, it's only a theory
EDIT: I saw the same thing as you on my company laptop, I had to uninstall 5 editions of KB2952664 and then it finally does not show up as installed anymore

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Old 08-14-2015, 02:41 AM   #6
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

When you install Win 7, select important updates only. Then there will be no sign of Windows 10 and the updates that are listed above will all remain Optional.

Disabling important updates is unnecessary and a bad idea, there are far to many exploits that rely on an unpatched Windows.
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Old 08-14-2015, 04:09 AM   #7
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didnt microfuck change it to an "important" category recently?
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Old 08-14-2015, 06:00 AM   #8
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

There where certainly some reports of that, in any case right now on my system all those updates I've listed are shown as optional...
Keep in mind there is also an option in Windows Update to show optional updates as important updates...
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didnt microfuck change it to an "important" category recently?
Not on my PC although i have seen it on a couple.
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

if they stay as optional only, I'm fine with that. I never install optionals unless I know exactly what they do.
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Saw the telemetry in action on my parents PC today, it's a Dimension 9200: Socket 775 with a Xeon X3230 CPU (2.66Ghz 8MB cache) 3GB memory and two 500GB 7200RPM HDD's in RAID-1
Firefox felt sluggish, it's running Win7 SP1 with all updates applied.
Fired up Process Explorer and saw that CompatTelRunner.exe (Microsoft Compatibility Telemetry) was causing allot of disk I/O.
So yea, unless you are intending to do the free upgrade probably best to just uninstall those updates listed in my OP...
The file is included in the update KB2952664 which gets constantly revised. (Currently at revision 13 as said previously).

Also I found out that this particular update has a version that is compatible with Win7 RTM: KB2977759
All the updates I've listed in my OP require SP1, and Microsoft has said the same when it comes to upgrading from Win7 to Win10 (requires SP1)
I found a list of what it checks on my work laptop on which I have deleted all those Windows updates in a leftover Temp folder.
Basically it's information about the hardware and all installed software, so the system can advice what things you need to upgrade etc for compatibility with Win10.
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Old 08-20-2015, 07:48 AM   #12
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

Updated the OP for Augusts "patch tuesday"
I added two patches: KB3075249 & KB3080149 that are related to Telemetry...

I also moved some off topic posts to the more relevant thread "more win10 stuff"
Please try to stay on-topic.

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Old 08-20-2015, 08:51 AM   #13
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do the "emergency" patches just released have any relation to this junk?
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No the IE fix only patches IE related files, apply it immediately if you actually use IE, as it's used in exploited advertising networks etc, so simply visiting any website could be game over, since they buy their AD's from a network...
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wouldnt using a diff browser be safer!
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

I had to uninstall KB2952664 four times.

After KB3035583 installed itself, I configured Windows Update to not install recommended updates automatically. These updates won't install automatically unless they are marked as important. I also check the list of available updates to make sure none of these updates are selected.
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I uninstalled KB2952664 yesterday, and it seems to be gone now. Strangely, I only had to restart after the first three uninstall attempts.
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Default Re: Win7 updates for upgrading to Win10

lti: I had the exact same experience.
What's good though is that I learned something new in the process:
Revised updates need to have all their revisions uninstalled.
And there is no way to see which revision you have in the "programs & features" console.
The no-reboot requirement is probably due to the fact that the first revisions did not need to change so much in Windows, thus not requiring a restart...

I just booted up an old install of Win7 I had on a RAID5 array that I replaced some months ago.
It had the first version of update KB2952664 listed in WindowsUpdate.log it was dated April 2014...
It had after that installed up to version 3, no reboot was required to uninstall it, and only one uninstall was enough.

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Ok, so is the root of all evil still these two updates?

KB2952664 and 3035583

If those are not installed, system is safe? True or False?
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Those two are the main ones for doing the Win10 upgrade: KB2952664 is updated continuously (now at version 13) to provide compatibility fixes for the upgrade.
And KB3035583 gives you the actual tray icon in the taskbar for offering you the free upgrade to Windows 10, unless your computer is part of a domain; then it's not offered.

But I'm not sure I would call them the "root of all evil"
Because if you look at the other updates I've written they provide "telemetry" data.
That is they are what scan your system for compatibility problems, so that Microsoft can revise the KB2952664 update to fix upgrade issues that they detect.
They can also provide fixes for other updates that these telemetry updates locate.
Note in particular how this month two new ones where added, one related to the UAC prompt.

So in my view it's actually these other updates that are "the root of all evil" because they are what send data back to Microsoft...

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