gas cooker ignition

[stj]

i have one of these:
https://allegro.pl/oferta/generator-...ska-7247049917

does anybody know how you wire a 230v ignitor, or have a cooker schematic??

[capwizard]

Re: gas cooker ignition

i have one of these w10t-4a
does anybody know how you wire a 230v ignitor, or have a cooker schematic??

here you're it is for 4 burner gas cooker

Spark Generator Replacement Kit - RH Peterson
https://cdn.badcaps-static.com/pdfs/...e274a1f901.pdf

F1, F2, F3, F4 – Elektrody zapalające (Incinerating electrodes to 4 burner gas ignitors )

Generator wysokonapięciowy ----- high voltage Generator
4 palnikowe szt.1 ------------------4 burner pcs.1

[stj]

Re: gas cooker ignition

nice.
what's confusing is the meter readings - it must have capacitors or something inside with the windings.
also where is the HV return???
i see the primary,
and 4 seconary's for the electrodes but no ground??

[eccerr0r]

Re: gas cooker ignition

Probably returning to GND... so does the igniter light all units at the same time regardless if it's needed or not? I guess it should be fine, cars do it all the time...

[capwizard]

Re: gas cooker ignition

Probably returning to GND... so does the igniter light all units at the same time regardless if it's needed or not? I guess it should be fine, cars do it all the time...

....the igniter light all units at the same time ......

you're right. as same as gas BBQ grills.

what's confusing is the meter readings - it must have capacitors or something inside with the windings.

i think they are build-ed inside ignitor.

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[eccerr0r]

Re: gas cooker ignition

not sure what meter readings you're referring to, but there must be duty cycle and current limiting inside the igniter, implying some sort of RC delay of sorts. Unfortunately the igniter is potted and no schematic is available?

Last time I had worked with a gas range, it seemed it had its own igniter per hob, I guess they've cheapened it since then...

[stj]

Re: gas cooker ignition

i tried to get the resistance of the windings, they look open.
but they arent - it's a new module!!
reason for the questions is i want to re/mis-use it.

[redwire]

Re: gas cooker ignition

It is probably like a motorcycle wasted spark ignition, where one floating secondary connects to two spark plugs. So this igniter has two secondaries, four terminals.

[eccerr0r]

Re: gas cooker ignition

Ahhhh... okay now I understand.

Yeah I would imagine there first needs to be some sort of isolation from mains to the outputs. That's one isolation.

Then I would imagine there may be a multiplier but that should show up as a high voltage diode in one direction... But don't know how they're designed inside the potting...

[stj]

Re: gas cooker ignition

it does not explain where the HV return is.
i see in a cooker it sparks to mains earth, but the module has no connection to it.

[capwizard]

Re: gas cooker ignition

sti: .... no resistance of the windings.....

no resistance of the windings is because transformer uses floating earth ground for safety reasons. when you have 2.4kv...anywhere can be ground....

it is an electrical resonant transformer circuit....a miniature Tesla coil or high voltage spark transformer.

you can use variac change 1/10 AC input voltage to ac 22v , make output voltage to 300v then add a diode and caps, now you have DC 320v for TV LED tester. or use for High voltage electronic fence. i think it has too much current for electrostimulation...I do not recommend.

eccerr0r.....a high voltage diode.....
i bet you inside this module just one Tesla coil no diode....and no HV cap.

[capwizard]

Re: gas cooker ignition

TS/W10T-4A HV module maybe has 30pf / 100m ohm bypass circuit and it generates more than 20 kv . Be very careful when playing with that.

[stj]

Re: gas cooker ignition

i had a thought,
maybe the secondary output and return are the first 2 connections and they arc to each other via the cooker body.
that's gonna complicate shit - i only want one spark - have to build a "safe" spark gap for the other pin.

[eccerr0r]

Re: gas cooker ignition

I also wonder what it will do with open outputs, or do they need to be insulated off...

Dang, what are you trying to "misuse" this in?

[stj]

Re: gas cooker ignition

i have it worked out now.
each pair of outputs is a secondary.
if you use both then it arc's via the cooker, but if you only use one then you ground the other end.

so the 4 output model actually has 2 secondary output coils.

to answer the last question, i'm trying to repair a Miele industrial cloths dryer with a 400€ ignitor failed in it!!
i'm not paying fucking 400€ when a brand new polish 4way ignitor costs under 3€ !!!!

[capwizard]

Re: gas cooker ignition

That's great, you saved a lot of money but if you use bug zapper it will save even more $ but the quality is not good.

[stj]

Re: gas cooker ignition

i cant put a bug zapper in a comercial repair!!!
this shit will be used every day in a hotel!!!!

[capwizard]

Re: gas cooker ignition

Iol

What's why, you have a repeat business.

[petehall347]

Re: gas cooker ignition

hope the appliance has a thermocouple .

[capwizard]

Re: gas cooker ignition

in US we use Silicone Carbide Ignition or spark module for gas oven.

How it works: Silicone Carbide Ignition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M02AIkraWH0

How Does a Gas Range & Oven Work? — Appliance Repair Tips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hweqe2tPklo