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Old 07-16-2018, 04:26 PM   #2181
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If you're using a modern diamond stylus with a low tracking force (as most of the "better" non-DJ cartridges are) the wear is minimal to non-existent.
Sure, but it's still a contact medium, has to be kept clean (dust is abrasive; fingerprints deposit oils on the surface which allows dust to cling), etc.

And, when you use a low tracking force, walking on wooden floors can cause the player to jump tracks (I used to keep my turntable on the concrete floor in the fireplace). Ditto for acoustic coupling (big speakers), etc.

These problems go away when you avoid mechanical storage/replay mechanisms -- to say nothing of the portability issue!
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:29 PM   #2182
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^ Im with the monkey here. Not to mention the lack of dynamic range. Not much of an issue back then, but music now can have such high DR that even tape distorts. Let alone records which have none to begin with!
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:58 PM   #2183
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Any 3dfx stuff (agp or pci)? I'll always relieve someone of that old junk!
I will look but I think most of what I have are PCIE 9800 GTX+ cards and cards in that area, I do have a box of old pci and agp stuff I will open and look to see.
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:59 PM   #2184
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I only "listen to music" when I am actively "mixing audio" or creating soundtracks for multimedia presentations -- in which case, I use my Senny HD800's.
I guess we're different in nature then.
I usually don't enjoy listening to music unless I am doing it actively. If anything, blasting music while doing everyday work/tasks wears me out even more, even if it's just barely loud enough to cover the background noise.

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Why buy something "cheap"? I think I paid almost $200 for the MA750's
I'm not saying that you should. Just merely stating that earbuds are crap and that even the cheapest pair of over-the-ear or on-ear headphones usually beats them in sound quality.

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I only want "background music" to block out the other ambient sounds (in the office/lab/exercising).
But earbuds don't make "background music", they simply make more background noise

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Plus a massive stack of stuff I don't care for (mostly junk, but there's some nice stuff there too).
Well, if you get any 90's oldschool drum 'n' bass "junk" (or newer dnb too), let me know
(though I doubt you would, as most people who are in this type of music rarely let got of their collection stuffs).

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I lived through the record era.....I have no desire to relive it. Good riddance!!
I wouldn't say that I want to live though something like that too, as digital media (computer) is just too convenient these days. But every once in a while, I do like to crack an old cassette tape in the deck , even if it sounds inferior and you can't easily jump/skip "tracks".

Also fun to show to my nephews - those spinning reels used to hypnotize me when I was a kid, and now I can see it does it to them too... or at least keeps them away from their phones/tablets for more than 5 minutes, which I view as a success in my book.

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Any 3dfx stuff (agp or pci)? I'll always relieve someone of that old junk!
Who wouldn't?

I think almost everyone knows nowadays that those cards are "valuable" (or at least worth a lot of money on eBay and similar sites). So they tend not to make it to the scrap pile as much as other stuff.

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Old 07-16-2018, 08:56 PM   #2185
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I think almost everyone knows nowadays that those cards are "valuable" (or at least worth a lot of money on eBay and similar sites). So they tend not to make it to the scrap pile as much as other stuff.
The sad thing is I chucked a ton of them back in the early XP days, since 3dfx had gone belly up and there were no XP drivers available (at least official/reliable ones) any system I upgraded to XP with a 3dfx card got it replaced with an ATI/Nvidia one with compatible drivers and since everyone thought the 3dfx cards were just "old unsupported junk" back then so there was no reason to keep them and they went to the recyclers. Now with the insane prices they're going for I wish I hung onto a few.
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Old 07-17-2018, 11:20 AM   #2186
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^ Im with the monkey here. Not to mention the lack of dynamic range. Not much of an issue back then, but music now can have such high DR that even tape distorts. Let alone records which have none to begin with!
Vinyl (and, other media) are purely analog mechanisms with analog interfaces. I.e., the more you try to process (or even distribute) the signal, the worse it gets.

When I bought my Dragons, I repurchased all of my vinyl (at least the titles that were still available) so I knew I was starting with media that was in the best condition it would ever likely be (no scratches, finger oils, warping from storage, etc.)

Then, spent a fair bit of effort cabling the source (B&O 8000) to the recorder (Dragon). Used good quality, NIB tape. One pass through each album to get the levels right (don't want to waste any headroom). Then, a final pass to actually make the recording.

Remove shrink-wrap cover from album jacket. Place in loose-fitting poly sleeve. Place one red ("virgin playback") and one green ("another playback") self-adhesive dot on the sleeve to record how much play the album has received. Stand album on end in a 14x17 hanging file folder. Place folder in 14x17 file cabinet to adjacent albums never exert pressure on each other.

Duplicate cassette (hence the need for the second Dragon) so I have a "working copy" that I can use without degrading the original copy (I've a TD1200 for the car). I now have access to ~90 minutes of music that is more portable/resilient than the vinyl.

Each play degrades the medium (tape or vinyl) AND the player (turntable or tape deck).

By contrast, with an all digital signal path, I can manipulate the audio, duplicate the audio, listen to the audio, etc. and never be any worse off than the quality of the original.

And, I can store 1000CD's under my bed (in case I ever have to re-rip them). With the digital copies residing (in duplicate) on a pair of TB drives.

By contrast, the 14x17 file cabinet (think: hospital XRay storage) in which I stored the vinyl weighed several hundred pounds and was like having a refrigerator in your living room (large and unsightly).

When I have free time (ha! is that like "extra money"?), I'll design an interface for the 8000 so I can grab digital right off the cartridge and do all of the equalization, processing and recording in software without fear of signal degradation. (maybe a little box with a button, light and SD card so I don't even have to have the "intentional radiator" of a PC around in the process)

Let's see... 24/96 needs ~30MB/min so an "album" would need less than 1GB/side. Even a small SD card (or onboard FLASH) could easily handle that.

And, if you just store "raw" data -- no compression or other processing -- you can run the logic really slow to cut down on power and RFI. Then, upload to a host where you can leisurely process it as required.
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Old 07-17-2018, 11:37 AM   #2187
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I guess we're different in nature then.
I usually don't enjoy listening to music unless I am doing it actively. If anything, blasting music while doing everyday work/tasks wears me out even more, even if it's just barely loud enough to cover the background noise.
I use music to help me cut the ties to the environment around me.

Whether I'm writing code, designing a circuit, wiring a prototype, jogging the neighborhood or even reading a book (!), background music isolates me from the distractions around me.

I don't hear the fans in the servers. Or, the phone ringing. Or, my other half tinkering in the kitchen.

The music is predictable (because I've heard it all so many times that it's committed to memory) -- unlike background activities which have their own "personalities". I pick what I want to listen to based on what I am likely going to be doing -- the "tempo" of the music has to match the tempo of my activity or thought process (writing code or jogging tend to need faster tempos than reading a novel).

I never use the "randomize" feature of my players as that adds uncertainty. I've listened to all of my albums countless times so I know what "comes next" before the player does! And, without having to consciously think about "what's coming up next?".

I will deliberately avoid pieces that I know are likely to pull my attention away from my activity (in those cases where my attention may be essential -- surely not when jogging, etc.) E.g., I know that Alice's Restaurant (or Billy the Mountain) will drag me into a lengthy "sing-along" so I'll either plan on taking a break when that comes along or simply avoid it, entirely (the beauty of being able to push the NEXT button without having to manually reposition the stylus on a platter!)

Contrast that with FedEx coming to the door; or the phone ringing; or someone vacuuming the house; or rain pelting the roof; or a neighbor's dog barking; or a car driving by; or... all, unpredictable distractions to which I'd otherwise have to react!
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A few recent scores.

Dell OptiPlex 790 SFF for $20:




Epson LX350 9-Pin dot-matrix printer with 2 new ribbons for $15:



IBM Thinkpad T40 for $10:



In case you're wondering what on earth I'd do with such an ancient laptop, IBM actually released Windows 9x drivers for these so with a 1.5 Ghz. Pentium M, 512 MB ram, and a mobility-Radeon 7500 it makes a nice Win 9x system and will even run most games from that era well.
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you can probably put an M770 in that.
they are worth money to mercedes engineers btw, they have a good serial port for star diagnostics.
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$25.00 ebay score = Supermicro P6DGU dual slot-1 GX chipset motherboard. Been looking for one on and off for a while, I have the dedicated 'RAID port' add-on card for the onboard SCSI that goes to one of these (came in a junk box years ago). I don't know if either works, the motherboard was listed as untested and I've never had a board to test the raidport card....so $25 gamble, I'm not too worried if none of it works, I've gambled a lot more than this on pool & football games.
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Got a free ECS 755-A2 v1.0 that won't POST (or beep for that matter), further check showed corrosion.

Also got a ASUS A9550GE/TD/256M/A
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