Microsoft Announces Windows 10

**Pentium4** · 09-30-2014, 12:22 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...dows/16474073/

Couldn't they at least start thinking of more clever names for their new OS's?

**mockingbird** · 09-30-2014, 04:47 PM

What are they doing now? Playing a game of taking out features from one version and then blackmailing users to buy the 'new' version if they want back that feature?

What happened to 10 year release cycles? XP was around for ages, now it seems every new year Microsoft is releasing a 'new' OS to pay dividends to the hoardes of worthless baby boomer stockholders.

**c_hegge** · 09-30-2014, 07:04 PM

Whaaaaaaat? They haven't even released Windows 9 yet.

**Pentium4** · 09-30-2014, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mockingbird

What are they doing now? Playing a game of taking out features from one version and then blackmailing users to buy the 'new' version if they want back that feature?

What happened to 10 year release cycles? XP was around for ages, now it seems every new year Microsoft is releasing a 'new' OS to pay dividends to the hoardes of worthless baby boomer stockholders.

Who knows, maybe they're trying to be more like Apple

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Originally Posted by c_hegge

Whaaaaaaat? They haven't even released Windows 9 yet.

According to Microsoft, they technically consider Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 completely separate operating systems. So I guess you could call Windows h8.1 "Windows 9" As time goes on, I hate Windows 8 as a whole more and more. Especially trying to fix it once it has broken.

**Th3_uN1Qu3** · 10-01-2014, 03:53 AM

Maybe they should call it Windows 1.0. Because we will likely need to wait for 4-5 more versions till it really turns into something useful.

**c_hegge** · 10-01-2014, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pentium4

Who knows, maybe they're trying to be more like Apple

I have to say that I am beginning to see M$ adopt Apple's "Use it how we tell you to" attitude (which is a big part of the reason I hate Apple) with Windows hate. They really should have made more of the big changes optional rather than insisting that's the new way to use Windows. If they haven't got their act back together by the time they drop support for Windows 7, I'll be moving on to Linux.

**diif** · 10-01-2014, 04:24 AM

Perhaps they didn't want people calling it Windows Nein !

Most users nowadays i don't think care what OS they use, with the proliferation of smartphones and tablets Microsoft is seeing a decline in the home market. Enterprise have just or are in the process of updating to Win 7 as the amount of time/effort to retain to use 8.1 is unnecessary. There are a couple of nice features in 8, but for the vast majority an update to use them is not worth it.

At least they have finally figured/listened that touch is not the new interface.

**SteveNielsen** · 10-01-2014, 08:57 AM

6 jumped over 7 and ate 9. Microsoft has skipped over version numbers in the past, it's not really a new development and probably has to do with marketing more than anything else.

**RJARRRPCGP** · 10-01-2014, 12:15 PM

I suspect version 10, because of Apple's OSX

**goontron** · 10-01-2014, 01:02 PM

im downloading it right now. here is a little tid-bit from the "before you install" section

"We're not kidding about the expert thing. So if you think BIOS is a new plant-based fuel, Tech Preview may not be right for you."

**Pentium4** · 10-01-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by goontron

"We're not kidding about the expert thing. So if you think BIOS is a new plant-based fuel, Tech Preview may not be right for you."

We installed the preview here this morning. It looks better than Windows h8 but that's not hard to do

**Almighty1** · 10-02-2014, 05:37 PM

A rumored reason why Windows 9 was skipped:
http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/01/w...-naming-rumor/

Windows 7 is really version 6.1, 8 is 6.2 and 8.1 is 6.3 as typing ver at the command prompt will tell you.

Linux is not even a OS as it's just a kernel, the userland is packaged by someone else. FreeBSD on the other hand is a complete OS based on code where all the modern networking stack came from. Both are more stable than Windows but Windows has the applications as none of the former will help me make a 5 digit income per day for the last 6 years. I'm a Microsoft and Apple shareholder. OSX is a free OS currently as upgrades no longer cost money. OSX also runs on top of a Unix OS FreeBSD + mach which is based on NeXTStep, the Unix OS that Steve Jobs created with NeXT Computing. Maybe Windows 10 is going to run on top of Unix as well.

**SteveNielsen** · 10-02-2014, 07:55 PM

I think you have some facts a bit mixed up concerning *nix OSes. The kernel is considered to be the core OS and a GUI is not required for the kernel OS to operate. The development paths of the mentioned *nix OSes are also not quite to your description.

Regardless, I doubt that M$ will go Unix based. They have too much invested in their NT OS and will probably continue to refine it.

**Topcat** · 10-02-2014, 08:23 PM

Microsoft hasn't filed for bankruptcy yet?

**SteveNielsen** · 10-02-2014, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by topcat

microsoft hasn't filed for bankruptcy yet?

lol!

**BigTroll** · 10-02-2014, 09:13 PM

I hope its good, Iam the only one in my Techteam at work that uses Windows 7 on my main PC they got upset when I uninstalled 8,personally I would take a fast machine with Vista SP2 over a 8 machine.

**Topcat** · 10-02-2014, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTroll

...personally I would take a fast machine with Vista SP2 over a 8 machine.

Vista isn't the demon its been made out to be if the system has enough RAM. When Vista was released, 512mb of ram was the standard.....and everyone knows how poorly that would perform. 2gb, vista runs pretty nice actually, SP2 really seemed to have fixed a lot of the memory-sucking quirks.

I will never have 8 on anything I use. I don't even use 7. Windows Server 2008 can be carved into a really nice workstation!

Skipping windows 9............that should tell yuo something about the internal collapse. I could see postponing it pending improvements or bugs, but to just skip it?! 8 was such a bellyflop, and there are so many other viable choices today.... The only people that don't realize its not 2002 anymore are the Microsoft people...

**Almighty1** · 10-02-2014, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveNielsen

I think you have some facts a bit mixed up concerning *nix OSes. The kernel is considered to be the core OS and a GUI is not required for the kernel OS to operate. The development paths of the mentioned *nix OSes are also not quite to your description.

Regardless, I doubt that M$ will go Unix based. They have too much invested in their NT OS and will probably continue to refine it.

Linux has always been a Unix like OS and the only thing called Linux is really the kernel as the userland or basically anything other than the kernel is packaged in more flavors by different packagers than there are flavors of ice cream. FreeBSD came from 386BSD which came from BSD 4.4lite, most of the networking code used in modern OSes came from BSD. Apple's Vice President of Unix Technologies was one of the founders and release engineer for FreeBSD. OSX's Unix portion is called Darwin while the GUI is another issue. I never said anything about GUIs since my Unix machines do not even have a GUI environment. We build WAN routers and run over 5,000+ servers in the ISP I own and operate for the last 18+ years.

Microsoft originally had its own Unix called Xenix which was later sold to SCO (Santa Cruz Operation). Hotmail which Microsoft bought originally ran on FreeBSD and later on, they replaced the front-end with Windows Server while the backend was still FreeBSD, I think it's all Windows now. In any case, they can always borrow things from other OSes into NT just back in 1987 or so, there was OS/2 which was from both Microsoft and IBM. Windows 3.0 and later 3.1 later became popular and they each went their own ways.

Microsoft I doubt will be filing bankruptcy soon since it has a market capitalization of $378 Billion, Google has a market capitalization of $388 Billion, Apple has a market capitalization of $588 Billion. GE will be bankrupt before Microsoft will with $252 Billion. Microsoft stock hasn't moved until Steve Ballmer stepped down and Satya Nadella stepped up to the plate.

**c_hegge** · 10-03-2014, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTroll

personally I would take a fast machine with Vista SP2 over a 8 machine.

This. The only things worse than Windows 8 are Windows ME and OSX.

btw. Windows 10 is doomed now. It has an even number

**SteveNielsen** · 10-03-2014, 04:49 PM

"Microsoft originally had its own Unix called Xenix which was later sold to SCO (Santa Cruz Operation)."

Microsoft bought Xenix from AT&T and later sold it to SCO.

09-30-2014, 12:22 PM	#1
Pentium4 CapXon Be Gone Join Date: Sep 2011 City & State: Idaho My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120VAC 60Hz I'm a: Hobbyist Tech Posts: 3,227	Microsoft Announces Windows 10 http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...dows/16474073/ Couldn't they at least start thinking of more clever names for their new OS's?

09-30-2014, 04:47 PM	#2
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diif Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Feb 2014 City & State: Midlands My Country: England I'm a: Professional Tech Posts: 6,781	Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Perhaps they didn't want people calling it Windows Nein ! Most users nowadays i don't think care what OS they use, with the proliferation of smartphones and tablets Microsoft is seeing a decline in the home market. Enterprise have just or are in the process of updating to Win 7 as the amount of time/effort to retain to use 8.1 is unnecessary. There are a couple of nice features in 8, but for the vast majority an update to use them is not worth it. At least they have finally figured/listened that touch is not the new interface.

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Almighty1 Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Apr 2014 City & State: San Francisco, California My Country: United States I'm a: Knowledge Seeker Posts: 209	Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 A rumored reason why Windows 9 was skipped: http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/01/w...-naming-rumor/ Windows 7 is really version 6.1, 8 is 6.2 and 8.1 is 6.3 as typing ver at the command prompt will tell you. Linux is not even a OS as it's just a kernel, the userland is packaged by someone else. FreeBSD on the other hand is a complete OS based on code where all the modern networking stack came from. Both are more stable than Windows but Windows has the applications as none of the former will help me make a 5 digit income per day for the last 6 years. I'm a Microsoft and Apple shareholder. OSX is a free OS currently as upgrades no longer cost money. OSX also runs on top of a Unix OS FreeBSD + mach which is based on NeXTStep, the Unix OS that Steve Jobs created with NeXT Computing. Maybe Windows 10 is going to run on top of Unix as well. Last edited by Almighty1; 10-02-2014 at 05:39 PM..

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SteveNielsen Retired Tech Join Date: Jun 2012 City & State: Newport, OR My Country: USA Line Voltage: 120VAC 60Hz I'm a: Hobbyist Tech Posts: 2,305	Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 I think you have some facts a bit mixed up concerning nix OSes. The kernel is considered to be the core OS and a GUI is not required for the kernel OS to operate. The development paths of the mentioned nix OSes are also not quite to your description. Regardless, I doubt that M$ will go Unix based. They have too much invested in their NT OS and will probably continue to refine it.

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BigTroll Badcaps Veteran Join Date: Sep 2010 City & State: Jefferson My Country: LAMBDA SOND Line Voltage: 120VAC 60Hz I'm a: Hardcore Geek Posts: 1,276	Re: Microsoft Announces Windows 10 I hope its good, Iam the only one in my Techteam at work that uses Windows 7 on my main PC they got upset when I uninstalled 8,personally I would take a fast machine with Vista SP2 over a 8 machine. __________________ My Computer: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, Asrock X370 Killer SLI/AC, 32GB G.SKILL TRIDENT Z RGB DDR4 3200, 500GB WD Black NVME and 2TB Toshiba HD,Geforce RTX 3080 FOUNDERS Edition, In-Win 303 White, EVGA SuperNova 750 G3, Windows 10 Pro

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