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    Fix an LCD Monitor for cents

    LCD monitors have a low power switching regulator operating from about 360 volts DC (rectified AC power). Typically there are two resistors connected in series that take standby power from the 360 volts, this power is used to switch the LCD ON. These are high value resistors, about 470K each, resistors do not like high voltage across them, it causes them to degrade and go higher in resistance, sometimes a virtual open circuit. Their heat dissipation is well within rating at about 69mW, but they have voltage stress 24 hrs a day.

    When a LCD display has problems switching ON or refuses altogether go looking for these two high value resistors connected to the positive side of the high voltage input capacitor and replace them with THREE resistors to reduce stress eg if the original is 2 x 470K replace with 3 x 270K or 300K. Two of these resistors are straight replacements, the third is a little different. On the underside of the PCB locate the copper track that connects the two series resistors and cut it, next solder the third resistor to the two solder points either side of this circuit break.

    Fixed for a few cents worth of components.

    This failure is the result of design error where it is not realised that there is too much voltage stress on the resistors. The problem occurs in many products that use the same design. I have found this problem in VCRs.
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    #2
    Re: Fix an LCD Monitor for cents

    see this often in psu's
    comes off the doubler and to a zener to get the lv supply to the smps chip.
    see a bunch open.

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      #3
      Re: Fix an LCD Monitor for cents

      Many high power PSUs today use a small transformer to deliver the quite high standby power requirement, thus avoiding the issue.
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      Intel E8400 (3000Mhz) Bios temps. 4096Mb 800Mhz DDR2 Corsair XMS2 4-4-4-12
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      Samsung 18x DVD writer
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      33 way card reader
      Windows XP Pro SP3
      Thermaltake Matrix case with 430W Silent Power
      17" Benq FP737s LCD monitor
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        #4
        Re: Fix an LCD Monitor for cents

        Originally posted by davmax
        Many high power PSUs today use a small transformer to deliver the quite high standby power requirement, thus avoiding the issue.
        every one of even the newest/biggest pc psu i have seen still use the resistors and zener to run the chip.
        not to be confused with +5 stby

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          #5
          Re: Fix an LCD Monitor for cents

          I did not realise that thanks. I have yet to experience this.
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            Re: Fix an LCD Monitor for cents

            It is a long time since I checked the voltage rating of non SMD resistors, so I thought it would be worth a re-check. The lowest voltage rating is 200Volts so two resistors of equal value in series should cope with 360 volts. So it may be that poor quality resistors are the problem of going high in resistance rather than a design problem causing undue stress. Interestingly I discovered that some SMD resistors can now stand 3000V and many can stand 500V.
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              #7
              Re: Fix an LCD Monitor for cents

              see this often in psu's
              comes off the doubler and to a zener to get the lv supply to the smps chip.
              I think this is usually just for initial start-up, then there is a winding on the transformer that supplies Vcc for the PWM.
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                #8
                Re: Fix an LCD Monitor for cents

                Would this cause a completely dead condition, no led light, no power, no display?

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