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    Jetway V266B with GSC

    My step bro has a refined taste to pick the worsts boards ever made, I ques. He has sort of "thing" for Jetway mainboards. Anyone familiar with GSC caps must know already how it end
    Well, the board was first used with Duron 700 (slightly overclocked to 866Mhz - 133x6.5) and worked great for some time. Yet when my bro bought Palomino 1700+ AXP, the problems started. Board was not stable anymore, and re-flashing and bios updating won't cure a thing.



    Funny thing - the Vcore voltage settings mentioned in manual as well, as available in bios disappeared after one flash update. We never get it back, even flashing the older bios back won't help, or so my bro says.



    We all at BadCaps know now why and how, but at the time even I was clueless. We decided that "the board simply did not like AXP, or the Palomino" and he bought another board - Jetway N2PAP Ultra. What happen to this is another story. This V266B suxxka (yep, VIA KT266 chipset, so FSB133 is max) was sort-of borrowed to one friend and then it finally get to my sis. At the time the board won't like anything more that 800Mhz (133x6) and yep, Duron only. Yet still problems continue. For example if you copy anything over network + run a WinAMP = sure crash. Copy or WinAMP alone = all good.



    Sooner or later it get to the point when we had to back from 133Mhz overclock and get to 100x7 default to make things at least not crashing often. There are some remarkable things like enabling fast writes in bios ended up with instant crash as soon, as the Radeon 9000, witch support fast writes flawlessly, start to draw any 3D on screen



    Around at this time I noticed the caps close to the CPU, serving as Vcore caps, are pretty bulged. We cleared the leaking, but it still look kinda bad...



    It was obvious what to do, but I looked at the board and started to like it. I mean - it have everything - even holes around CPU, so, why so crappy GSC caps have to ruin it?
    The board support either SDRAM (2 slots) or DDR ram (2 slots) and we managed to increase stability (speed increase is not noticeable or measurable tough) replacing the SDRAMs with DDR rams. Probably the DDR ones utilize cap's that was not utilized before? Or we just dreamed up the increased stability in all the instability issues?



    Around that time I got first optimistic results from recapping my DFI LP B boards with Panasonic FM caps, yet there was also a bit of argument on the China (okay, Hong Kong precisely) made caps Samxon's and how they are or are not good. And since space is valuable and Panasonic ones are big I contacted Joe and asked about the Samxon caps. Simply if I could test them out.



    The idea was to overclock this board high, and stress it with folding - on top of that, it will still serve my sis as gaming/working/browsing machine and sort of "general public computer" to access net at my home



    Joe agreed and unlike my bro suggested (replace just the bulging ones...), I replaced ALL the caps on the board. Everything over 100uF simply goes for Samxon's



    The results.

    Forget semi-stable 100x7 with poor 64k L2 Duron! Now there is a Barton 2800+ inserted and run at 155x12.5 That give PR2500+, witch is nice performance kick! I tried even 166x12.5 to get the 2800 rating the CPU is made for and it was on Prime CPU test stable, yet the used rams can't handle 2-2-2-5 at more that a little over 155Mhz, so I decided that the few Mhz up it not worth decreasing the latency settings. Also fast writes is possible now, yet when I later replaced the R9000 with FX5600XT they has to be disabled, as the XT crap won't support them at all. Not a big deal, tough. All other bios options regarding speed could be now maxed out w/o worries and they work!
    I also used Revoltec passive nice cooler on the NB and the standard NB cooler put on the SB to gain stability when overclocking the oldie poor VIA KT266 chipset to 155Mhz
    It also have 2x512MB DDR ram's and at 2-2-2-5 I bet they stress the Vdimm powering circuit well!

    So, now the mobo run fully on Samxon's, fully stable and under 100% load by folding all the time (run as service)



    It is about two months now, so I posted these result as sort of statement that the Samxons aren't about fail soon. We see how long the Samxon's hold up - my bet is, that as long, as we want the board to run, but to know for sure, a stress test is need. Unlike DFI recap work I did not increased any of the caps sizes.

    So, stay tuned for longer test, yet so far I managed excelent results, I think. Especially compared to what the board was able run before, it won't even post with AXP CPU, even with 256k of L2 only... And the Samxons are still mostly GD and few GC ones. So, only the more average Samxons are being used.

    No Samxons GA used, yet these should be (according to specs) mortal threat to Rubycons MBZ or Nichicons HZ by their cheap price yet still stellar specs - simply the absolute hi-end top.

    Samxon GA 1800uF 16V - impedance 0.007 - ripple current 4140 (2000 hours) 10x25
    Nichicon HZ 1800uF 16V - impedance 0.006.5 - ripple current 4140 (2000 hours) 10x25
    Rubycon MCZ 1800uF 16V - impedance 0.009 - ripple current 3230 (2000 hours) 10x25


    Dunno if they could make difference in such oldie mainboard, but in new ones and in case of extreme overclocking - well, that could be different story!

    And for the record, the case is fan less, so they get proper thermal stressing as well. Pictures on demand possible
    Last edited by willawake; 06-01-2006, 12:35 AM.
    "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." - Voltaire
    "I believe that all the people who stand to profit by a war and who help provoke it should be shot on the first day it starts..." - Hemingway my config - my caps

    #2
    Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

    Great to see a member testing out Samxons! Post back in a few months to inform us how they hold up.
    The great capacitor showdown!

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      #3
      Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

      Hey trodas, that's nice that you have good experiences with Samxon caps. I'll be using them too on some of my old p4/axp board. Now i just waiting for some caps from Big Pope to come. He promise to send them by the end of the last month (May).

      Keep them running for 1-2 years or more and we can tell if Samxon caps have their longevity.
      days are so short when you actually do something..

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        #4
        Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

        nah, just a few months Yanz, Trodas is crazy and runs everything fanlessly.
        The great capacitor showdown!

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          #5
          Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

          hehe... i forget that.. he is a caps killer
          days are so short when you actually do something..

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            #6
            Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

            Chris1992 - I definitively will So far, they running very good in now mine Jetway V266B, but that is another thread...


            yanz - well, other's that I can find won't fit there and Topcat support only USA, so hard to get for me anything else. And yet their specs is promising, so, why not? When things go FUBAR I can always replace it - just tell me, where to buy Nichicons HZ - dying to get these in my hands...
            About Big Pope, he seems to be be very reliable, tough a little bit slow, but that is mainly a problem in my end. I don't know why, but everything come from him goes trought customs... They typically add a week or so of wait. They always released me my caps free of charge and not a problem or even a question caused, but they do always check. I don't know what the hell they think. I mean - a big, suspicious packages from UK, USA or AU get to me w/o being checked by customs at all in 99,8% of cases. Yet very small packages full of caps from Big Pope in Hong Kong get always checked?
            Where is the logic of that?
            I starting to firmly believe that they suspect that Joe is sending me drugs, biological warfare, anthrax, radioactive materials or stuff like that... No cap get yet "opened" to check them, but I'm affraid they do it once
            I already suggested to him that he could include something abovementioned to just make them happy, for christ sake

            Only a joke, tough.

            And only (very likely) my local problem with some guy/gal at costoms who probably firmly believe that Hong Kong is full of drug addicted terrorists that is trying to kill us all!


            And, ehm, guys, any problem with fanless operation? Even my 3GHz Opty can run fanless, so...
            "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." - Voltaire
            "I believe that all the people who stand to profit by a war and who help provoke it should be shot on the first day it starts..." - Hemingway my config - my caps

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              #7
              Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

              Good & nice pictures !

              Adding heatsinks to SB & NB does help stabilities.
              I attached the original NB sink to SB and a small Pentium MMX
              stock HSF to NB by using arctic silver adhesive.
              Even recap the original KZG & KZE caps with some inferior caps
              , it remains stable. I doubt if attaching heatsinks alone will
              help even with some poor caps.


              Futhermore, can you tell me who is that Big Pope?
              I want to know if his offerings are cheap and what brands of caps
              he sells. In Hong Kong, its rather hard to buy some good caps.
              The best I can find are certain faradays of Rubycon YXG, YXA, RX30.
              By the way, is RX30 has good ESR rating ?
              I wish I can buy some KZJ, MCZ or Samxon GA ..etc.
              ******************************************

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                #8
                Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                Hi Hkivan,

                Rubycon caps can be bought from Wai Fong in Hong Kong at: http://www.pcbulb.com/index.php?language=en

                Samxon caps can be got from Big Pope

                I cannot find RX30 caps in the Rubycon 2006 Product catalog, where did you find them?
                Last edited by willawake; 06-03-2006, 01:00 PM.
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                  #9
                  Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                  Hi Davmax,

                  Thanks for your help.

                  http://www.rubycon.co.jp/en/catalog/.../Chart_Eng.pdf

                  From rubycon web site, I found those info about RX30 & RX50.
                  They can withstand upto 130C & 150C respectively.
                  I can't find RX50 in shops yet.

                  I don't know who the guy Big Pope is . Is he running a store or
                  else? I prefer buying caps in shops rather than by mail .
                  I visited the web of "Wai Fong " B4. They only offer a fews types of
                  rubycon & OS-CON . In fact, recapping in HK is rare among DIYers.
                  ******************************************

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                    #10
                    Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                    Hi Hkivan


                    Yes I did find the RX50 caps after all. Thanks. However looking at their ESR values they are 3 to 4 time higher than the ultra low ESR caps like Ruby MCZ or Samxon GC or GA. Similarly the ripple ratings are lower.

                    It is matter of applying the right caps either going for Ultra low ESR @ 105C or higher ESR at high temperature rating. This requires understanding the particular circuit design specifications.
                    Gigabyte EP45-DS3L Ultra Reliable (Power saver)
                    Intel E8400 (3000Mhz) Bios temps. 4096Mb 800Mhz DDR2 Corsair XMS2 4-4-4-12
                    160Gb WD SATAII Server grade
                    Nvidia 8500GT 256Mb
                    160Gb WD eSATAII Server grade for backup.
                    Samsung 18x DVD writer
                    Pioneer 16x DVD writer + 6x Dual layer
                    33 way card reader
                    Windows XP Pro SP3
                    Thermaltake Matrix case with 430W Silent Power
                    17" Benq FP737s LCD monitor
                    HP Officejet Pro K5300 with refillable tanks

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                      #11
                      Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                      Hi again Hkivan,

                      Big Pope specialises in supplying Ultra low ESR caps for recapping. His main customers are Chinese (in volume). I find him very easy to deal with and reliable and I pay via Paypal.

                      He can send you a list of the types he stocks. Try him.

                      Davmax
                      Gigabyte EP45-DS3L Ultra Reliable (Power saver)
                      Intel E8400 (3000Mhz) Bios temps. 4096Mb 800Mhz DDR2 Corsair XMS2 4-4-4-12
                      160Gb WD SATAII Server grade
                      Nvidia 8500GT 256Mb
                      160Gb WD eSATAII Server grade for backup.
                      Samsung 18x DVD writer
                      Pioneer 16x DVD writer + 6x Dual layer
                      33 way card reader
                      Windows XP Pro SP3
                      Thermaltake Matrix case with 430W Silent Power
                      17" Benq FP737s LCD monitor
                      HP Officejet Pro K5300 with refillable tanks

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                        #12
                        Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                        It's sad to see modern boards still using bad caps like GSC

                        From my experiences, GSC and Tayeh often fail much worse than that! I'm sure you've seen my pictures of the severely vented GSC caps on the PC at work (electrolyte spilling out), plus the blown-from-bottom Tayeh caps in my P3 machine.

                        I've never attempted a recap yet, but if it was something very important, I'd be sure to use known good caps - like Rubycon or Nichicon. I'll have to look and see how easy/hard it is to remove the motherboard in the P3 machine, then I can try recapping those burst Tayehs
                        You know there's something wrong when you open your PC and it has vented Rubycons...

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                          #13
                          Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                          Thanks again Davmax,
                          I shall try him later if those Samxons are cheap.
                          or else, I will just be OK with YXG & YXA.
                          ******************************************

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                            #14
                            Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                            hkivan - well, who is Bog Pope? A former BadCaps member and very helpfull guy who can give you caps that is way much better that almost general purpose YXG & YXA Rubycons
                            You have the email at him - oh, it looks like it get edited out by admin - well, you see, that he is not welcomed much there, however since you live in Hong Kong, you can visit him himself
                            BTW, these RX30 and RX50 caps aren't usefull for computer related stuff. Too high ESR/ESL for computer circuits.

                            Tom41 - heheh, well, we all there know, that we as customer are mostly getting cheated badly by companies, that seems to be ready solder anything in their products and expect us pay for these products like they are "fine"...
                            Anyway, recap is not hard thing to do. But I started soldering when I was six years old, so... My view of what is and what it not easy could be a little bit off your mark, tough

                            davmax - same good experience with him and his cap's there. Hell, when I write him that I suspect the caps are delayed because they are again checked if did not containing anything bad at customs, he even offered to send them again
                            Luckily, it was not necessary. I feet like abusing him - after all, he is not responsible for oversuspicious guy/gal at customs that simply won't like the Hong Kong
                            "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." - Voltaire
                            "I believe that all the people who stand to profit by a war and who help provoke it should be shot on the first day it starts..." - Hemingway my config - my caps

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                              #15
                              Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                              That it was before, 133x5.5 - 733Mhz for 2:36sec:



                              But it was not stable at all, thanks to the caps. Then we moved to 100x7 - 700Mhz and it get slower a lot - 3:02sec:



                              ...but after caps, the stability is neat:



                              And SuperPI times improved as well, tough this is only 150x12.5 test, 155x12.5 get under 1min, hehe

                              "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." - Voltaire
                              "I believe that all the people who stand to profit by a war and who help provoke it should be shot on the first day it starts..." - Hemingway my config - my caps

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                                #16
                                Cap suppliers to HK

                                Hi,

                                You can pick up decent Panasonic or Rubycons from Farnell in most parts of the world.

                                http://www.farnellinone.com/

                                Minimum online order in UK is £20 though..

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                                  I usualy need a hell lot of caps, so the minimum order is not a problem, tough the Farnel did not like ship to me in Czech republic at all.

                                  As I said there:
                                  https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...5&page=2&pp=15

                                  Yes, the Farnell shop I was reffering about into one of my previous posts, that they offer mediocre Nichicon caps (worser that already exploded on me) and that they also refused to send me anything to my country or even to Germany (refer to the Germany trick part ).
                                  I looked again and they stock only UPS1C222MHD NICHICON cap, witch has laughable useless 1550mA ripple current

                                  The problem with http://uk.farnell.com/ is, that even for Germany it says:
                                  "You're not allowed to export to that country. Please select a different shipping address."

                                  ...but yep, they have the Rubycons ZL ones with fairly great "punch" at 2770mA and only slightly higger impedance, tough once again:
                                  "You're not allowed to export to that country. Please select a different shipping address."

                                  So, unless someone from England is willing to re-send me these, I have no idea how to get them
                                  "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." - Voltaire
                                  "I believe that all the people who stand to profit by a war and who help provoke it should be shot on the first day it starts..." - Hemingway my config - my caps

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                                    low esr caps now a controlled substance?like cocaine?or sudafed?

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                                      it can be used for some terrorism material you know

                                      trodas, what happen if the packet is sent from person to person, example gonzo on german send you a packet. it can be labelled as gift or something.

                                      So, unless someone from England is willing to re-send me these, I have no idea how to get them
                                      so find one of them then
                                      days are so short when you actually do something..

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Jetway V266B with GSC

                                        kc8adu - looks to me, by the problems I got that Low ESR caps is sure controlled substance at least

                                        yanz - sure. What for? Oh, you mean the terroristic repair of damaged mobo that stealing the jobs of people making these? Sounds like this forum is full of terrorists then!
                                        Person to person is fine. However I do noticed that they check all packaged comming from Hong Kong, while almost never check ever anything that come from "western" states.
                                        Conclusion - you can send me almos anything from Germany, UK, USA and so on, but sending caps from Hong Kong? Bad idea!
                                        "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." - Voltaire
                                        "I believe that all the people who stand to profit by a war and who help provoke it should be shot on the first day it starts..." - Hemingway my config - my caps

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