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    17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

    I have here a Toshiba 32w1333db 32" Led Tv, rebadged Vestel trash. Fault originally was flashing standby Led/corrupt firmware. I brought the UPG02 firmware kit off Ohm Supplies as I couldnt find the correct update for this board. Toshiba Vestel Led Tvs have 2 Usb ports, the instructions state that I must put the Usb stick in Usb2 not Usb1 for the update to work.

    Well as ive had a fairly long day, I took no notice and put it in Usb01 I plugged the Tv and it flashed red now I have no standby Led what so ever, with or with out the Usb in place. The Psu is fine and outputting correct voltages, also the Ir sensor has the correct voltages just no standby Led. So is the motherboard is now fucked ? Dont say that the Usb stick was shorted either because it actually works fine. So did me putting it in Usb1 rather than 2 mess it up. Cant figure this out, any ideas are appreciated.

    TIA
    Last edited by ReeceyBurger123; 12-13-2015, 04:14 PM.
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    Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

    Boost Nothing on the web or anything.
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      #3
      Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

      ive had a quick search on the web nothing about if you use the wrong usb port but i have read its best to dissable automatic updates that this maybe what causes the faulty firmware?

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        #4
        Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

        I just dont know what happened, nothing short on the board all voltages present where they should be. It wont do anything tried holding down the ok button like usual but nothing ! Just dead
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          #5
          Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

          can you get a new blank chip that stores the firmware and try again to update it or are you looking for a replacement mainboard. Maybe worth contacting ohms supplies i bet your not the first person whos had this happen.

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            #6
            Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

            Check the USB ports with the oscilloscope to see if they are trying to do something. There has to be a kind of: "Hi, I am here, anybody home" data handshake. As long as that is there you should be good, you may need a different flash file though... If those ports (there also may be a special service port) are dead, well... that's it, I guess...
            That said, I have changed USB hub controller and USB audio codec IC's before, but I always had power.

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              #7
              Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

              Cheers, im getting a scope over christmas so will debug this then. Iam unsure what happend stupid Vestel trash. All the others that I have successfully re-flashed were single Usb type. This Toshiba has 2 which normally they only have one.
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                #8
                Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

                I'd be lost without my scope.

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                  #9
                  Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

                  Haha, I get by really well with out one. Normally if I get stuck my uncle lets me use his (he used to repair arcade machines) but now im progressing really could do with one.
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                    #10
                    Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

                    Well... that depends on what you are repairing. In my case I use my scope quite often, because if it would be something easy, it wouldn't land on my bench anyway, hi!

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                      #11
                      Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

                      Yeah fair enough !
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                        #12
                        Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

                        Did you ever find out whether it was using the wrong USB port that messed things up (even more) - just gotten my mitts on one of these and if it is just the firm-wire then I don't want to screw up what should be an easy (if only short term) fix.

                        I've gotten the v3_6_3c_Low_config2.exe file from the Toshiba download site - but as I'm not running a Windoze PC right now I've taken a peek inside what appears to be a self extracting archive and I can see and extract a single file which seems to be upgrade_mb90.bin - given the size and shape of it I am guessing it is a file system image file - but not a format that I recognise. I've read on this forum that there are/maybe other files that I might want to have - but I can't see them...

                        As it happens I am an Electronics Engineer who (was formerly an Analogue TV/Sat designer/engineer) and I now dabble in software coding on mainly Linux / FreeBSD OSes - so I am curious about the fact that these TVs seem to run an embedded Linux OS. I've heard tell that they will run a serial console over the Data Pins (10/12/14?) on the Scart socket {seems to be a Vestel specilty - I've had a HD DVB-T box from them that apparently had the same} but does anyone know any more details about this?
                        Last edited by SlySven; 03-22-2019, 04:56 PM.

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                          #13
                          Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

                          I can't remember how he did it, but there are 2 ways of doing this. First one is to flash firmware through the USB, second you can flash the SPI directly with a programmer.

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                            #14
                            Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

                            Well the single file from the Tosh website (the upgrade_mb90.bin file I think it was) was not enough to fix things - holding down the "OK" button whilst powering up the set with a thumb-drive with just that on it did nothing (apart from stopping the RED-GREEN flashing LED).

                            Taking note that others have said that the backlight might be problematic I carefully dismantled the display - and found that the LEDs were perfect - no obvious defects and (after scraping the multi-meter probes across the white coating over the PCB traces either side of each LED) I could get a glow out of each of them in diode test mode with the meter.

                            Reassembled and carefully (I did not have my isolation transformer to hand) powered it up with the three files from ReeceyBurger123's post https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...81&postcount=3 also put onto the same USB stick as the other file and - after several seconds of holding down the OK button I could see some activity on the USB stick (it is an old 128MB one with a real write protect switch and activity & power LEDs) and I saw that the screen was now lite up with the backlight on!

                            Hooray! I thought...

                            Finished reassembling and stood it up on the desk - and powered it up and it came on at last! I found that the 2.1.9 software had been installed - but the picture was upside down and the colour and levels were somewhat screwed up. I did manage to tune it in and then accessing the USB upgrade (bring up the main menu and enter the code "1505"?) found that it happily installed the upgrade file and when rebooted showed it had indeed updated to the 3.6.3 version.

                            Sadly though it was still upside down and the colours looked like something that I imaging things might seem like after partaking of LSD...!

                            Having glimpsed at the image in this post https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...7&postcount=25 I see that I have a different LCD panel (the ribbon cable comes out of the bottom of the LCD and terminates on a thin PCB on the bottom edge of the display with the signal lead plugged into the rear most edge of it.

                            I think I can see how this all works now in that by considerable reducing the brightness/contrast I can get an almost usable picture but it is still upside down. Obviously the "drive levels" and the signal processing are configured for a different LCD panel but at the time I did not have the code to enter the service menu to hand - I will try again with "4725" to see if that works (the service manual from another thread mentions one to access settings for "Hotel mode" but that code number didn't work).

                            In hindsight it is likely that all the sets use the same core software (which makes it easier to keep them up to date via OTA DVB-T updates) but I realise I need to tweak some core settings for the different drive parameters for this model and it's LCD screen which were contained in the original firmware but not adjusted by the update (which WAS the one for the particular model number {32W1333DB and not ...333D}).
                            Last edited by SlySven; 03-27-2019, 01:54 PM.

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                              #15
                              Re: 17mb95sNo Standby After Minor Mistake WTF ?

                              Fixed it!

                              ReeceyBurger123's files didn't do it and neither did three of the four that I found bundled up at: http://download782.mediafire.com/h94...B_SOFTWARE.rar - however the fourth did the job. For others' convenience I have listed them individually below along with the details that show up on the service mode screen ("4725" from the main menu) after they have been installed - there may be a typo (spacing) or two as it was done by hand but it does help to show the differences between them. Taking a closer look at the label on LCD assembly on the one I had (which dated from 2015) it seems to be a Vestel one, the marking above the barcode says: "Model: VES315WNDS-01" and below "23134890" and then "VEL_LCM VES315WNDS01_IPS11_32185_MB95"

                              ReeceyBurger123's files (in ReeceyBurger123.zip and ReeceyBurger123.z01) :
                              Code:
                              SERVICE MENU (Thorium) (V.2.1.9z) (L-) (SVN:112005) (/0009df/5854.dcf)
                              
                              Panel:32VESWNDL01_169WXGA_D_N_NO_T_NO_ER_119119_95_1.91_SVN:INVALID-xxxxxxxxx
                              PQ:PQTool_MB95S_TOS_BMS_WXGA_90016-SVN:INVALID
                              Profile:95S_TT23128099N1Gb13T_1D632__M100010ODRBEVB219z3
                              HW Profile Version:061 SW Profile Version:116 Lan Profile Version:218
                              PEQ FILES: GRUP17-6WATT-V001-SVN:INVALID EDID:VES-32W_LCD_TV
                              05.12.2013 11:15:53 GOKHANOZT
                              UI File Version:V.2.1.9z
                              32W1333DB(CAT80)_V219Z files (in 32W1333DB(CAT80)_V219Z.zip and 32W1333DB(CAT80)_V219Z.z01):
                              Code:
                              SERVICE MENU (Thorium) (V.2.1.9z) (L-) (SVN:112005) (/0009df/5854.dcf)
                              
                              Panel:32VESWNDL01_169WXGA_D_N_NO_T_NO_ER_107089_95_1.91_SVN:INVALID-xxxxxxxxx
                              PQ:PQTool_MB95S_TOS_BMS_WXGA_90016-SVN:INVALID
                              Profile:95S_TT23128099N1SE13T_1D632__M100011ODRBEZB219z
                              HW Profile Version:061 SW Profile Version:116 Lan Profile Version:218
                              PEQ FILES: GRUP17-6WATT-V001-SVN:INVALID EDID:VES-32W_LCD_TV
                              21.10.2013_11:48_ST
                              UI File Version:V.2.1.9z
                              32W1333DB(CAT80)_BMS_MB95S_23128099_10084359_V219u_LA_TRC22316 files (in 32W1333DB(CAT80)_BMS_MB95S_23128099_10084359_V219u_LA_TRC22316.zip and 32W1333DB(CAT80)_BMS_MB95S_23128099_10084359_V219u_LA_TRC22316.z01):
                              Code:
                              SERVICE MENU (Thorium) (V.2.1.9u) (L-) (SVN:101844) (/0009df/5854.dcf)
                              
                              Panel:32VESWNDL01_169WXGA_D_N_NO_A_NO_ER_98397_95_1.91_SVN:98397-xxxxxxxxx
                              PQ:PQTool_MB95_WXGA_90016-SVN:90016
                              Profile:95S_TT23112686N16B13T_1D632__M200010ODRBE219u
                              HW Profile Version:061 SW Profile Version:113 Lan Profile Version:213
                              PEQ FILES: GR0UP9-6WATT-V001 - SVN:82020 EDID:VES-32W_LCD_TV
                              14_06_2013 SAMPLE
                              UI File Version:V.2.1.9u
                              32W1333DB_27095852_MB95S_TOS_LA_V219z_SVN_112005_ENVIR_GEN files (in 32W1333DB_27095852_MB95S_TOS_LA_V219z_SVN_112005_ENVIR_GEN.zip and 32W1333DB_27095852_MB95S_TOS_LA_V219z_SVN_112005_ENVIR_GEN.z01):
                              Code:
                              SERVICE MENU (Thorium) (V.2.1.9z) (L-) (SVN:112005) (/0009df/5854.dcf)
                              
                              Panel:32VESWNDL01_169WXGA_D_N_NO_T_NO_ER_107089_95_1.91_SVN:INVALID-xxxxxxxxx
                              PQ:PQTool_MB95S_TOS_BMS_WXGA_90016-SVN:INVALID
                              Profile:95S_TT23128099N1Gb13T_1D632__M100010ORBEV219z3
                              HW Profile Version:061 SW Profile Version:116 Lan Profile Version:218
                              PEQ FILES: GRUP17-6WATT-V001-SVN:INVALID EDID:VES-32W_LCD_TV
                              22.10.2013 15:12:24 GOKHANOZT
                              UI File Version:V.2.1.9z
                              Finally the ones that work for me - all the others caused the display on the set I was working on to be upside down and "posterised". Note that the "Panel:" text began with "SAMA" which I suspected was meant for Samsung rather than Vestel LCDs {the original directory also contained (79) rather than (80) which suggested an older option!} (Files in 32W1333B(CAT79).zip, 32W1333B(CAT79).z01.zip and 32W1333B(CAT79).z02.zip):
                              Code:
                              SERVICE MENU (Thorium) (V.2.0.8B) (L-) (SVN:84503) (/0009df/5484.dcf)
                              
                              Panel:32SAMAP33_169WXGA_D_N_NO_T_NO_ER_82308_95_ - 1.91 SVN:INVALID-xxxxxxxxx
                              PQ:PQTool_MB95S_TOS_WXGA_77564-SVN:INVALID
                              Profile:95S_TT30074998N1Gb13T_1D632__M100010C06BEV208B
                              PEQ FILES: GRUP8-6WATT-V001 - SVN:INVALID EDID:VES-32W_LCD_TV
                              16.01.2013_17:10_CH
                              HW Profile Version: 045 SW Profile Version: 071 Lan Profile Version: 142
                              Browser Version: NetFront4.2
                              After applying the 3.6.3 update available from one of Vestel or Toshiba (I can't remember which) this changed to:
                              Code:
                              SERVICE MENU (Thorium) (V.3.6.3c) (L-) (SVN:160862) (/0009df/5484.dcf) (D8) (NoneSec) (MB95)
                              
                              Panel:32SAMAP33_169WXGA_D_N_NO_T_NO_ER_82308_95_ - 1.91 SVN:INVALID-xxxxxxxxx
                              PQ:PQTool_MB95S_TOS_WXGA_77564-SVN:INVALID
                              Profile:95S_TT30074998N1Gb13T_1D632__M100010C06BEV208B
                              HW Profile Version: 045 SW Profile Version: 071 Lan Profile Version: 363
                              PEQ FILES: GRUP8-6WATT-V001 - SVN:INVALID EDID:VES-32W_LCD_TV
                              16.01.2013_17:10_CH
                              Serial No:
                              Because of the limits (~28MB for .zip files, have to end with .zip and numbered extensions on split zips are not accepted) on uploads to this forum I have had to split the archives files and append a .zip to the split files with a .z01 or a .z02 extension - remove the .zip extension from those before trying to unzip a set.
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                              Last edited by SlySven; 03-29-2019, 01:10 PM.

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