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    The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

    Everybody please contribute photos and explanation of the identifying marks of GOOD Low ESR capacitors for motherboard applications.

    Aluminium Electrolytic Capacitors - Radial Lead


    (Photo from Intel D875PBZLK motherboard, original caps)

    Rubycon MCZ. A row of black with gold stripe Rubycon MCZ. Rubycon's top series






    (Photo from an Asus TUSL2 motherboard, original caps)

    Ruybycon MBZ. The dark purple cap indicated with the arrow. After MCZ they are the second best in Rubycon's series for motherboard applications because of their very low ESR. General availability is difficult. Topcat of these forums can sell you this range in 8mm sizes which are even more difficult to find.


    (Photo from an Asus CUSL2-M motherboard, original caps)

    Rubycon ZL. A very popular series for motherboard applications. Note the Black colour, The Rubycon K vent marking (many other companies use K markings though, note the style of the Rubycon K marking and that it is quite a deep thick cut unlike the counterfeit ones) also note the Rubycon logo and the cap range namely ZL is clearly noted. Along with Panasonic FC series, general availability is good. ZLH has longer life than ZL series though at the same ESR rating. ZA/ZLG series are the next step up in lower ESR than ZL/ZLH with ZLG having longer life than ZA.


    (Photo from an ASUS CUSL2 motherboard, original caps)

    Rubycon YXG. Same remarks as above, dark blue/purple colour instead. Not as good as ZL series but perfectly adequate also. YXH series has longer life than YXG though but with the same impedance specs.


    (Photo from recapping of a 3com officeconnect 8 port hub)

    Panasonic FC. Note the T vent marking which is exclusive to panasonic. Note the M character in a box which indicates Matsushita the parent company of the panasonic brand. Note the navy colour, they also come in black, note the gold negative stripe which is on both colours. Note the FC after the +105oC which indicates they are FC range. There is also FA series which is better but FC series is excellent for motherboard applications and general availability is good.
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    Last edited by willawake; 04-16-2006, 08:19 AM.
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    #2
    Polymer Capacitors - Radial Lead

    Sanyo OS-CON Polymer capacitors : These do not have electrolyte they have polymerised organic semiconductor instead, so do not have the same failure problem. Therefore they do not have a vent on the top even though they are Low ESR. They are much more effective than electrolytic caps so you need lower values than before. Expensive caps.



    Sanyo OS-CON SEPC Series. Sanyo's top polymer series typically found on vcore of high end boards or on graphics cards.


    (Photo of HP serverboard from DL380G4 server, original caps)



    Sanyo OS-CON SP Series. Note that they clearly say OSCON on them and the SP series is clearly indicated. The strange purple colour is exclusive to most of the series of OSCON caps. These are available in larger capacitance than SEPC but the ESR is higher though. The leads can be too big for the holes on some boards or graphics cards though.
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    Last edited by willawake; 04-16-2006, 08:37 AM.
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      #3
      Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

      Panasonic FM ones:

      Attached Files
      Last edited by willawake; 03-05-2006, 08:33 AM.
      "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." - Voltaire
      "I believe that all the people who stand to profit by a war and who help provoke it should be shot on the first day it starts..." - Hemingway my config - my caps

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        #4
        Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

        WARNING!!!

        UCC KZG was later found out to be a BAD cap, along with UCC KZJ. They do not handle heat well and should ALWAYS be replaced. Lesson: component reliability is only proven after years of service.

        United Chemicon KZG

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        Last edited by ratdude747; 10-01-2012, 01:51 PM. Reason: Times changed and KZG was proven to be a BAD cap.
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          #5
          Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

          United Chemicon LXY





          They are not the lowest ESR on Chemicon Series caps, but suitable for PSU or VRM input. They have long endurance. For smaller size and almost same spec (almost same shiny color too), use Chemicon LXZ.
          Attached Files
          Last edited by yanz; 05-22-2006, 02:44 AM.
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            #6
            Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

            Nichicon HZ (top Nichicon model and by specs, far superior electrolyte cap ever) in my Sapphire "Grouper" A9RX480 mainboard









            (the 3300uF 10V one is Nichicon HD one - still very good cap, yet HZ is the king of caps )

            Nichicon HZ 1800uF 16V - impedance 0.006.5 - ripple current 4140 (2000 hours) 10x25
            Nichicon HD 2200uF 16V - impedance 0.018 - ripple current 2770 (5000 hours) 12.5x25
            Attached Files
            "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong." - Voltaire
            "I believe that all the people who stand to profit by a war and who help provoke it should be shot on the first day it starts..." - Hemingway my config - my caps

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              #7
              Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

              Panasonic FJ Capacitor

              For more than a year we had been questioning about its data specification. We see them in a lot of modern motherboards (even cheap board like ECS) and vga card (especially powercolor). Thanks to Willawake, he found the FJ datasheet that Panasonic it self hide it for no reason.

              It turns out that this caps is for real, from Panasonic, and many motherboards/vga card manufacturers use it because it is comparable to: Chemicon KZG (good cap), Rubycon MBZ (good cap), Nichicon HM (it's badcaps in past time).

              So if you found this FJ cap on a motherboard or vga card you want to choose, fear not, they are good caps.









              Datasheet:
              Panasonic FJ Capacitor
              Made in Malaysia

              Another thread about FJ capacitor you'll find on this badcaps forum:

              https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1801
              https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=720


              So, performance grade of panasonic alumunium electrolytic capacitor series (lower to greater):


              FC -> FK -> FJ -> FM
              Last edited by yanz; 08-27-2006, 06:51 AM.
              days are so short when you actually do something..

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                #8
                Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                Nichicon PL and PM (1st pic)
                Dark brown jacket with grey text, white datecode. Normal X-shaped vent.

                Panasonic FK (2nd and 3rd pic)
                Dark blue jacket with gold text, red datecode. T-shaped vent.

                I use mostly Nichicon PL/PM but just got some Panasonic FKs for places requiring smaller can sizes.

                Has anybody got a datasheet for leaded type Panasonic FK?
                Attached Files
                Last edited by killjoy; 09-21-2006, 12:26 PM.

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                  #9
                  Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                  Here is the Panasonic FK Capacitor datasheet:
                  Last edited by willawake; 09-24-2006, 03:14 AM.
                  days are so short when you actually do something..

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                    #10
                    Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                    Nichicon PW








                    Nichicon PW is smaller than PL. In this picture, PW cap is in the middle.

                    Nichicon PW Capacitor Datasheet
                    Attached Files
                    days are so short when you actually do something..

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                      #11
                      Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                      Sanyo WG


                      (Sanyo WG capacitor 3300uF 10v, size 10mm x 23mm (DxL), impedance 0.012ohm, endurance 4000hrs @ 105C)






                      (Same Sanyo WG caps but with different bungs, read here. Both are okay though.)



                      (Photo from recapping of an ECS K7SOM v7.5c motherboard)


                      Sanyo WG capacitor datasheet
                      Attached Files
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                        #12
                        Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                        Sanyo WX



                        (Sanyo WX capacitor 1000uF 10v, size 8mm x 20mm (DxL), impedance 0.041ohm, endurance 3000hrs @ 105C)

                        Sanyo WX capacitor datasheet
                        Attached Files
                        days are so short when you actually do something..

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                          #13
                          Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                          Panasonic HFQ

                          This series is used to be popular for audiophile. Now it is discontinued. Recommended replacement are Panasonic FC.





                          Panasonic HFQ Capacitor Datasheet
                          Discontinuation Notice
                          Attached Files
                          days are so short when you actually do something..

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                            #14
                            Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                            United Chemicon LXZ




                            United Chemicon LXZ Capacitor Datasheet
                            Attached Files
                            days are so short when you actually do something..

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                              #15
                              Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                              United Chemicon LXJ




                              [ Chemicon LXJ Capacitor Datasheet[/url]
                              Attached Files
                              days are so short when you actually do something..

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                                #16
                                Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                                Originally posted by yanz
                                Panasonic FJ Capacitor

                                So, performance grade of panasonic alumunium electrolytic capacitor series (lower to greater):

                                FC -> FK -> FJ -> FM
                                ~ No ~

                                FM is less than Ruby MBZ
                                FJ is more than MBZ but less than MCZ

                                It goes:

                                FC -> FK -> FM -> FJ

                                I 'think' FL = FJ but I only have data on two sizes of FL.

                                .

                                .
                                Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                                -
                                Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

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                                  #17
                                  Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                                  these pics confirm the fj i have here are counterfeits.
                                  https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4600
                                  Originally posted by yanz
                                  Panasonic FJ Capacitor

                                  For more than a year we had been questioning about its data specification. We see them in a lot of modern motherboards (even cheap board like ECS) and vga card (especially powercolor). Thanks to Willawake, he found the FJ datasheet that Panasonic it self hide it for no reason.

                                  It turns out that this caps is for real, from Panasonic, and many motherboards/vga card manufacturers use it because it is comparable to: Chemicon KZG (good cap), Rubycon MBZ (good cap), Nichicon HM (it's badcaps in past time).

                                  So if you found this FJ cap on a motherboard or vga card you want to choose, fear not, they are good caps.









                                  Datasheet:
                                  Panasonic FJ Capacitor
                                  Made in Malaysia

                                  Another thread about FJ capacitor you'll find on this badcaps forum:

                                  https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1801
                                  https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=720


                                  So, performance grade of panasonic alumunium electrolytic capacitor series (lower to greater):


                                  FC -> FK -> FJ -> FM

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                                    #18
                                    Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                                    Thanks I have the data sheets on file and I'm aware of what's in them:
                                    You obviously haven't checked them because you are wrong.

                                    Comparing same volt, uF, and can sizes:

                                    FJ - 6.3v 1000uF 10x12.5 - 1540/.025
                                    FM - 6.3v 1000uF 10x12.5 - 1290/.038
                                    FJ has better the Ripple and ESR than FM.

                                    FJ - 6.3v 3300uF 12.5x20 - 2800/.012
                                    FM - 6.3v 1000uF 12.5x20 - 2600/.018
                                    FJ has better the Ripple and ESR than FM.

                                    FJ - 10v 1000uF 8x20 - 1870/.016
                                    FM - 10v 1000uF 8x20 - 1560/.030
                                    FJ has better the Ripple and ESR than FM.

                                    FJ - 16v 1000uF 10x20 - 2550/.013
                                    FM - 16v 1000uF 10x20 - 2180/.019
                                    FJ has better the Ripple and ESR than FM.

                                    This is 100% consistant.
                                    The only time FM is better than FJ (for a given uF/v) is if the FM is in a bigger can.
                                    - That's not the proper way to compare two series of capacitors.

                                    So it's just as I said:

                                    FC -> FK -> FM -> FJ

                                    .
                                    .
                                    Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                    - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                                    -
                                    Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                                    - Dr Seuss
                                    -
                                    You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                    -

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                                      #19
                                      Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                                      Correcting typo:

                                      FJ - 6.3v 3300uF 12.5x20 - 2800/.012
                                      FM - 6.3v 3300uF 12.5x20 - 2600/.018
                                      FJ has better the Ripple and ESR than FM.
                                      Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                      - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                                      -
                                      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                                      - Dr Seuss
                                      -
                                      You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                      -

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                                        #20
                                        Re: The Good Capacitors Photo Thread

                                        Heya PCBONEZ It's just that Ripple and ESR isn't the only things in my mind, FM series has far superior endurance..

                                        But if we rule out the endurance than you're right. I guess, performance is performance and endurance is endurance. FC -> FK -> FM -> FJ it is. Like you said..

                                        Any mods there, care to edit my post there? (change it to "FC -> FK -> FM -> FJ")
                                        I really don't mind, thx in advance.
                                        days are so short when you actually do something..

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