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Old 08-22-2019, 01:27 PM   #3881
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A baker's dozen 2.5" 10K U320 72G SCA drives. Well, at least they won't take up much space! :-/
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Old 08-22-2019, 01:42 PM   #3882
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A baker's dozen 2.5" 10K U320 72G SCA drives. Well, at least they won't take up much space! :-/
heh....never seen those in a 2.5" flavor.
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:20 PM   #3883
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heh....never seen those in a 2.5" flavor.
That's why I bothered to add the photos.

They were used on old(er) blade servers when you couldn't get more than ~16G of RAM on a blade (but, put two of these and you've got 144GB of secondary storage at your fingertips -- repeat for 14 or 15 blades...)
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Scored a Gigabyte EP45T-DS3R, fully boxed with shield, manuals and driver DVD for just $6.

Seller said it wasn't working in his classified ad (OLX, which some of the Romanian fellows here know about) and asked just $6 (25RON - 11RON board + 13RON postage) for both the board with shipping to my town. Tested it with a Q9400 and a 2GB Mushkin DDR3 stick, POST'd on first try! Was a little dirty though, but nothing medicinal alcohol couldn't solve.
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That's why I bothered to add the photos.

They were used on old(er) blade servers when you couldn't get more than ~16G of RAM on a blade (but, put two of these and you've got 144GB of secondary storage at your fingertips -- repeat for 14 or 15 blades...)
Those would be nice if they were 68 pin.
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Old Yesterday, 02:35 PM   #3886
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Those would be nice if they were 68 pin.
In addition to being inappropriate for the application from which they were rescued, you'd be hard pressed to find a way of mounting a 68-pin signal connector AND 4-pin power connector on the device (unless you opted to mount the drive "sideways")

Unless, of course, you designed a form of Single Connector Attachment!
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In addition to being inappropriate for the application from which they were rescued, you'd be hard pressed to find a way of mounting a 68-pin signal connector AND 4-pin power connector on the device (unless you opted to mount the drive "sideways")

Unless, of course, you designed a form of Single Connector Attachment!
Yup. Made for hot swap bays & servers. 68-pin internal SCSI drives were more workstation-oriented, and it was a small & short-lived era. The nice thing about 10k & 15k 2.5" drives is fast access times. In certain type stripe arrays with good controllers in SAS of course, (I've never tested this in a u320 SCSI and I doubt they'd fare nearly as well), they can give a SSD a good run for its money....they won't beat them, but for a clunky old mechanical HDD, they're impressive!
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The saga of Half Life, and Portal, for me are impressive works , they cannot be missing on my computer xD.
Haha, that is too funny - I'm the same way with those. Another one is Colin McRae Rally 4. It's outdated by today's graphical standards, but is still fun.

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I have this computer mounted in my computer workshop connected to a TV, and when I get bored I put series, or play a game, the GT1030 behaves quite well for the use I give it . It would not be bad to put a 1050, but for now I do not hurry, when I can put it on.
Yeah, for that kind of use, the 1030 is more than enough.

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In certain type stripe arrays with good controllers in SAS of course... they can give a SSD a good run for its money....
I don't know. SSDs have gotten pretty cheap nowadays.
I put a 120 GB "house brand" SSD from Micro Center in my work laptop and so far it has help up just fine. Typical usage is about 4 -5 power cycles on the laptop daily, and about 4-10 times in Standby/Sleep. The AV (Symantec, of course) also tends to scan and trash the SSD pretty badly most of the time.

For $20, I'm very than happy and already think it paid itself off.

As for SCSI... that is one of those things I couldn't care about at all anymore. Too complicated and proprietary for its own good.
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I don't know. SSDs have gotten pretty cheap nowadays.
I put a 120 GB "house brand" SSD from Micro Center in my work laptop and so far it has help up just fine. Typical usage is about 4 -5 power cycles on the laptop daily, and about 4-10 times in Standby/Sleep. The AV (Symantec, of course) also tends to scan and trash the SSD pretty badly most of the time.

For $20, I'm very than happy and already think it paid itself off.

As for SCSI... that is one of those things I couldn't care about at all anymore. Too complicated and proprietary for its own good.
I wasnt referring to costs...more @ performance...and then the reliability of a spinner then the redundancy of a striped/mirror (raid10). SSD can't hang with that in a good workstation.....but I'll concede it for a laptop or other disposable system for sure, where raw performance is the only thing that matters. All my HTPC's run these $20 SSD's....if they shit the bed, replace the drive, dump OS install image with clonezinna, and BOOM, back up & running with little effort. For Critical stuff, I will never rely on a SSD.
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Yup. Made for hot swap bays & servers. 68-pin internal SCSI drives were more workstation-oriented, and it was a small & short-lived era.
Yeah, I'm only holding onto SCA and FC-AL drives, at this point. They tend to be "packaged" more densely than wide (or narrow!) SCSI.

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The nice thing about 10k & 15k 2.5" drives is fast access times. In certain type stripe arrays with good controllers in SAS of course, (I've never tested this in a u320 SCSI and I doubt they'd fare nearly as well), they can give a SSD a good run for its money....they won't beat them, but for a clunky old mechanical HDD, they're impressive!
I liked them because they could be mounted external to the machine (so I didn't have to pull the covers off to get at them) AND because they could be spun down, removed, replaced and spun back up long before the days of pluggable USB drives! So, I could treat a 4/9G SE SCSI drive in much the same way that I now use thumb drives -- except, I can actually run applications (and OS's with larger LVD drives) off them. Ain't gonna happen with a slow thumb drive.

And, I've not had spinning rust fail me -- but have "lost" many FLASH devices over the years (usually with no advance warning)!
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I wasnt referring to costs...more @ performance...and then the reliability of a spinner then the redundancy of a striped/mirror (raid10). SSD can't hang with that in a good workstation.....but I'll concede it for a laptop or other disposable system for sure, where raw performance is the only thing that matters. All my HTPC's run these $20 SSD's....if they shit the bed, replace the drive, dump OS install image with clonezinna, and BOOM, back up & running with little effort. For Critical stuff, I will never rely on a SSD.
I look more for cost-per-byte (or, cost-per-terabyte, as the case likely is!).

Most of my (PC!) applications are either limited by meatware or CPU bound so the disk has very little impact on overall performance. And, stuffing 2T of SSD in each box just so an app loads faster isn't a good use of dollars. Once you get beyond a certain "critical minimum" of RAM (i.e., so the entire "problem" can reside entirely within it), then you just need more and faster cores!

Or, more workstations! :>
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