Seagate 7200.11 turds

[willawake]

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we have a nice system here. Bosch, Siemens, Gaggenau, Neff is all assembled by greek company Pitsos
well not only assembled cos i checked some of their steel coils so they must be at least fabricating casings

and they suck
so there is not much else to choose from. Miele is working pretty good but expensive. i think its worth it

[zandrax]

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its like a vibration but there is not

So motor is spinning loud ...
Is the drive thigthly screwed to the case?

even my new altec lansing vs4121 speakers were obviously designed by a retard (no offence to retards that do not design speakers). i have never heard anything so bad. what is up with the market these days

I suppose getting two cheap but decent bookshelf speakers (e.g. Mosscade 502: you may find them at about 150 euro per pair + shipping on ebay) and a low power amplifier is a bit overkill for you, but it would sound a lot better than a 2.1 or cheap 5.1 "for computers only". If you don't want to spend, get a pair of low end but decent headphones (e.g. Sennheiser HD202 or Grado SR60 if you can get them in Europe)

Zandrax

[Gianni]

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Miele is working pretty good but expensive

Yes the same here.
When I replace the dishwasher, 4 years ago, in the shop they told me the only brand you can find spare parts after 10 years is Miele, I can believe it... because you pay spare parts in advance!!!
I bought a Bosh at 600€ while the Miele was more than 1000€.
Previously I had a Whirlpool, it broken after 6 years and I repaired it. At 10 years the damn part broken again but... no spare parts were available.
So when I went to buy a new one, I told to the shop assistant I didn't want to buy anymore Whirlpool cause they last only 10 years... and she replied to me: "What??? Do you think other brands last more??? "
That's why she suggested Miele... at least if they break after 15y you can find spare parts...

Ciao
Gianni

[Scenic]

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our Miele washing machine is almost as old as i am... 20years now (1988).
had several disassemblings to clean it up, and some repairs from time to time (nothing too serious).. but still going strong.

oh and you can _still_ get some spare parts for it (after twenty years!!)
not anything though.. only a few common parts that are more likely to fail than others..

[stevo1210]

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*sigh* A client called back today about his PC which I assembled 4 weeks ago. The Seagate 500GB 7200.11 SATA HDD isn't being detected in his PC. And he has tried it in other PCs as well, same effect of no detection by the BIOS.
Looks like a faulty hard drive.... and even worse he's a uni student and all important data is on there.
I don't know where he got his hard drive from because I just was dumped a load of stuff to put together for him.

[dood]

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Looks like it's time to contact Seagate for that free data recovery :o

[stevo1210]

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Looks like it's time to contact Seagate for that free data recovery :o

Does seagate really have free data recovery? if they do then i've gotta tell my client.

thanks.

[dood]

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Seagate owns a data recovery company. When this problem first surfaced, Seagate said they would NOT provide free recovery, but that you were more than welcome to contact their "affiliate" and pay to have the data recovered.

Now that it's a huge problem, I've heard that they are offering free data recovery through their tech support, if you've lost access to your data due to the firmware issue. That's according to a story on The Register.

Just don't expect it to come back any time soon... They're swamped, I'm sure.

[Per Hansson]

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I would try upgrading the firmware first
Apparently it fixes exactly the issue you describe
If that does not work just send it to them for data recovery (at their expense as they promised)
If they do come through please post here, then I'd say they are really handling the issue well!

[willawake]

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Description

An issue exists that may cause some Seagay hard drives to become inoperable immediately after a power-on operation. Once this condition has occurred, the drive cannot be restored to normal operation without intervention from Seagit. Data on the drive will be unaffected and can be
accessed once normal drive operation has been restored. This is caused by a firmware issue coupled with a specific manufacturing test process.

Root Cause

This condition was introduced by a firmware issue that sets the drive event log to an invalid location causing the drive to become inaccessible.

The firmware issue is that the end boundary of the event log circular buffer (320) was set incorrectly. During Event Log initialization, the boundary condition that defines the end of the Event Log is off by one.
During power up, if the Event Log counter is at entry 320, or a multiple of (320 + x*256), and if a particular data pattern (dependent on the type of tester used during the drive manufacturing test process) had been present
in the reserved-area system tracks when the drive's reserved-area file system was created during manufacturing, firmware will increment the Event Log pointer past the end of the event log data structure. This error is detected and results in an "Assert Failure", which causes the drive to hang as a failsafe measure. When the drive enters failsafe further update s to the counter become impossible and the condition will remain through subsequent power cycles. The problem only arises if a power cycle initialization occurs when the Event Log is at 320 or some multiple of 256 thereafter. Once a drive is in this state, there is no path to resolve/recover existing failed drives without Seaturd technical intervention.

For a drive to be susceptible to this issue, it must have both the firmware that contains the issue and have been tested through the specific manufacturing process.

Corrective Action

Shitegate has implemented a containment action to ensure that all manufacturing test processes write the same "benign" fill pattern. (we fired the new guy) This change is a permanent part of the test process. All drives with a date of
manufacture January 12, 2009 and later are not affected by this issue as they have been through the corrected test process.

[PCBONEZ]

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SeaGAY?

They aren't the only one:
http://www.intel.com/support/motherb.../CS-023541.htm

[willawake]

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LOL. probably firmware coded by the same indian company

[bgavin]

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Yep. You get what you pay for...
I get so tired of the outsourced crap.
Cheap In, Cheap Out

[willawake]

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ok i updated the firmware on my two 7200.11 1tb drives without problem
which is kinda boring cos i dont have anything to complain about

[kc8adu]

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ok i updated the firmware on my two 7200.11 1tb drives without problem
which is kinda boring cos i dont have anything to complain about

till they take a shit and take your data to hdd hell.
watch the smart on those closely and back them up.
just rma'd 12 of them.
esp pay attention to reallocated sector count.

[PCBONEZ]

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till they take a shit and take your data to hdd hell.
watch the smart on those closely and back them up.
just rma'd 12 of them.
esp pay attention to reallocated sector count.

>> esp pay attention to reallocated sector count. <<

-> Perpendicular Recording at it's finest.

.

[i4004]

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what does perp.rec. have to do with seagate going crap after they bought maxtor?
i mean, maxtor has exaclty the same problems (damaged rom on the platters, won't id itself to mobo etc.) so it seems seagate is "learning" all the maxtor tricks...hehe...

alos, like i already said
http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/pro...acuda_7200.10/

7200.10 is the first series with perp. recording, and they didn't had such a bad run.

[PCBONEZ]

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I have no idea how you got from A to B there.
Doesn't matter who made the drive.

I've discussed my thoughts on Perpendicular Recording in here a few times already.

Short version.
The data density is too high and consequently the areas that represent 0's or 1's are too small and too close together. They don't retain the charge well. -> Corruption.

I other words, if you stick a + too close to a - you end up with two neutrals,,
especially if you don't refresh the charges once in a while and leave them sit.
[Like OS and drivers files that have to load but never get rewritten.]

There are complaints about corrupt files and data going *poof* on PRM drives that pass drive tests just fine scattered all over the internet although most of the people complaining don't understand the source or extent of the problem. For example they'll blame drivers that go corrupt and won't load on the OS or spy-ware or even RAM because the drive passes all the tests. They don't get that data [1's and 0's] is just electrical charges that can go *poof* without any physical damage simply by sitting too long.

That's my opinion and I'm not changing it.

I was starting to think they finally got the bugs out of PRM but kc8adu's post is making me doubt that.

.

[i4004]

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>Short version.
The data density is too high and consequently the areas that represent 0's or 1's are too small and too close together. They don't retain the charge well. -> Corruption.

1-drives were dying in this way before perpend. recording (only maxtor never offered bios...some other companies did...)
2-do you think only seagate is using this technology? where are other mfrs with this issue?

how i got to point b? we're talking about seagate drives in this thread...i believe.

i understand fear from new technology. but you don't really have a proof perp. is inferior, do you?
kc just said to keep an eye on this seagate series, which is a good advice.
nothing about perp. rec. per se.

overall i wish they would just put a fucking flash chip on pcb and deal away with this crap of putting firmware on platters...i mean we say mobo and psu mfrs are cheap bean counters, but what the bloody hell is putting rom on platters?
how do you call that?

>That's my opinion and I'm not changing it.

well, your old drives will go "poof" too, and you'll start using these eventually.
so yes, you'll change your mind allright.
hehe...

i don't even know what's inside wds i bought last year, and i don't really care...they work...remind me to do regular backup so i won't care even if they go bad..
<wink>

oh yeah, something more interesting than hdds going bad(like that's some news? i discarded seagate as soon as they bought maxtor...);
my washing machine is over 40 years old(this was thread about hdds and washing machines!).
yes, it had overhaul 10-15 years ago...
but still, over 40 years!!!
a no it's not even german, it's slovenian, "gorenje".
they're still making them, but i doubt new models will last that much.

[gdement]

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they're still making them, but i doubt new models will last that much.

The new ones probably have web browsers and flash roms and blinking lights.