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kc8adu 02-20-2007 06:29 PM

warning!xcelite flush cutters!
 
i have seen several failed recap jobs come in where customer said board posted before they tried to recap it.
in all cases i found damaged traces near solder joints on replaced caps.
asked what tools were used to cut and in all cases i investigated (8) the cutters were the common xcelite flush cutters.
these have very sharp tips which will slice traces if they contact the board while cutting.
so hold these level to the board to avoid this issue.

bgavin 02-20-2007 07:28 PM

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Somewhere on this board I saw a recommendation for the correct cutters for recapping.

Would you please add the recommendation to this thread?

willawake 02-21-2007 02:45 AM

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well i dont see this as a reason to not buy xcelite brand, just to pay attention while using them. give some people the finest tools and they will screw it up by not being careful.

i use ProsKit which i have recommended before. but any small lead clippers would work.

http://www.badcaps.net/forum/attachm...tid=4972&stc=1

http://www.badcaps.net/forum/attachm...tid=4973&stc=1

http://www.badcaps.net/forum/attachm...tid=4974&stc=1

the most important thing is that the blades are angled like the last photo. so while you hold the handles at a comfortable angle, the blades are parallel with the board. and there is not need to cut everything very low, just equal to the existing leads sticking out of the board.

gonzo0815 02-21-2007 08:00 AM

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Well, i would say if those people would have been carfull in the way everyone should do their first recap, i am shure that nothing would have had happened.
So i would say keep patint and calm and donīt do it in a rush. And use your clear working brain.

Any way good to pont it out for newbes to remind them at thos basic things.

gdement 02-21-2007 08:14 AM

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I just use common wire cutters. Is there any reason these fancy cutters are needed?

kc8adu 02-21-2007 08:36 AM

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i use several types of these cutters.
including xcelite.
they can cut flush with the board.
nothing fancy or expensive.
just warning of a problem i see.

willawake 02-21-2007 08:36 AM

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no they are not necessary but the difference is very nice.

tazwegion 03-22-2007 03:17 AM

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Well this pair of side cutters does the job for me, not remotely as nice looking as those pro'sKIT pieces, but the cut is closer than whatever the mass soldering machines (or skilled monkey's) use :D

I suppose they could use some new rubber grips or heatshrink though ;)

yanz 08-18-2007 08:13 AM

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I simply use a nail cutter :D it has been working great since i was in junior high school... It dont let the remaining lead to jump/escape to everywhere.. :D It keep my works clean.. I rarely need a plier/cutter to cut the leads.. (except for the transformer/coils).

Harvey 08-18-2007 01:55 PM

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I use a pair (well, actually only one) of end cutting wire cutters. Like these http://www.hyperclaw.com/pic/product...-plier-1-L.jpg only smaller (and yellow).

Elusive_Cure 12-01-2007 08:06 PM

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.....i'm just using a plain old fingernail clipper....works fine, snips right where i want to....

starfury1 12-01-2007 11:51 PM

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Preferably I use cutters like the ones will posted photos of
(the idea be more to cut the component leg not crush it off)

Nippy "type" cutters should result in minimal stress to the joint

Al thought those that you posted harvey look like a good one and
should avoid the problem (smaller as you say)
(like the nail cutters)

The only thing is (in my opinion) whatever you use should "cut" not "crush" the component leg off

I think KC8's Warning is well warranted
especially for first timers

As its, how you "USE" them that causes the damage
and the natural instinct is to cut at about 45 degrees


Quote:

hold these level to the board to avoid this issue.
( parallel to the pcb, or very close to)

Thats the top of the cutters, as will has pointed out there is an angle

I cut (as I understand is the correct method) at the point of where the component lead enters the top of the solder joint (top of the volcano)

I will also add,
Inspect your PCB and work BEFORE and AFTER each step of the recap process with a mag glass to ensure there is no damage etc.

This should be second nature to do thing with all work

Just my 2 cents worth

Cheers :)

Krankshaft 12-02-2007 02:57 PM

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I use side cutters like the ones Taz pictured. I would never use something with sharp tips like that.

If I can't cut the leads while applying light pressure downward I bend the leads slightly upward then make the cut so I don't have to jab the cutters down into the board hard and tear traces up.

starfury1 12-03-2007 03:58 AM

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Quote:

I would never use something with sharp tips like that.
They are fine if used correctly but true there is always a risk due to how they are constructed...I like what Harvey posted in a smaller version..that would remove the risk
(although you have to use them vertically I suppose).

I guess so long as it does the job correctly its really personal choice as to what you use.

Cheers :)

resr 02-06-2008 03:05 PM

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I use Lux-Tools wire cutters. No problems have been accoured.

cap noob duh 01-30-2010 11:39 PM

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Glad to hear there are no problems.
I learned that normal side cutters have a 'snap' to them when they cut, and this travels down the leg into whatever component you are 'trimming'.
(tremendous G-force/shock to that little component.)

someone suggested to use a tool with a scissor like action; and they never had a problem since.(was years ago, don't remember who or what.)

...although AFTER soldering to the board, the danger of damage may be minimized due to solder joint... ...if you are cutting AFTER.

I do like the look of the oneway angle on those cutters, will give them a gander, because of the closeness to the board.

:)

Sigmo 04-14-2010 02:25 AM

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Yes. Flush cutting dykes are good for several reasons:

1. They cut flush, leaving a square end to the lead rather than a sharp, pointed end that's more dangerous.

2. They impart far less shock (g-force) to the component (as long as you use them the correct direction!)

But, you must also be aware that most flush or semi-flush-cutting dykes will propel the cut-off lead out at a high rate of speed. Wear eye protection or make sure to hold/capture the flying leads!

I think you could damage a board with anything made of metal if you used it wrong.

The main thing to take away from this is that if you ram the tips of your dykes or whatever you're using to cut the leads off into the traces on the board, you may well gouge through them!

People need to have a bit of common sense.

shovenose 08-28-2010 09:58 AM

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eerrmmm...for small components standard scissors work ok in a pinch

ratdude747 08-28-2010 10:18 AM

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don't reply to dead threads just to make an off-topic comment. just a tip for next time.

pfrcom 08-28-2010 08:08 PM

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What makes a thread dead ?

Personally, I usually find interesting, a new response to an old thread

A bit rich, seeing an on-topic posting, disparaged by the main producer of, mostly trivial, posts

ratdude747 08-28-2010 09:14 PM

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sorry... wrong thread....

Uranium-235 02-14-2011 06:53 AM

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this thread is stickeyed, so I don't think it can 'die' cause it never falls off any page

anyways, I always cut leads with my wit, sharper then ever

tazwegion 03-20-2011 09:50 PM

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WIT? sharp humour? :D

In a pinch... right angle nail clippers do a fine job! :rock:

Johnny P 04-25-2011 03:24 PM

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Why are you cutting them again? Don't youz guys use a solder sucker?

RJARRRPCGP 07-26-2011 04:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tazwegion (Post 30151)
Well this pair of side cutters does the job for me, not remotely as nice looking as those pro'sKIT pieces, but the cut is closer than whatever the mass soldering machines (or skilled monkey's) use :D

I suppose they could use some new rubber grips or heatshrink though ;)

Looks like mine! :D

nickBcap 08-19-2012 12:00 AM

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Hi, I bought a solder sucker and loved it for removing so much solder from around the hole that the capacitors needed very little heating to remove but the most annoying thing is the fact the nozzel is always plastic which melts and the shop does not sell replaceable tips.
Ok, so now I want to buy a pair of pro cutters, and, I dont think I will go with the fingernail cutter theory. Hopefully using a pro tool a few times is the start of a pleasant repair experience.
Thank you for making such this helpful thread.

severach 08-20-2012 09:47 PM

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Radial lead parts should be trimmed before soldering. It's faster, easier, and the work quality is much better. The lead trim length is close to the width of the blades on many wire cutters such as Harbor Freight 98410. Hold the cap even to the blade cocked back a bit to add some length. Practice results in even and perfect length cuts every time.

MDOC 10-09-2012 11:34 AM

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I never use cutters or knives to remove radial components. I use just a soldering iron and a solder wick or sucker. Apply heat to one leg, pull the cap back to pull the leg out. Then do the other leg. Then suck up the remaining solder out of the holes. No risk to board damage. This is how professionals do it. (You can also suck out the solder first before removing, but usually the leads still stick to the holes by the remaining solder, so it may take several tries.)

It's OK to use cutters to remove axial components. Don't use a nail cutter. Too bulky.

y_not 04-05-2013 04:02 PM

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I was wondering if you could clarify for this "flush cutter newb".

It appears from the photos that they are angled for what, a 45degree cut?
Are they designed this way so that you do not have to hold your knuckles parallel to the board to get a parallel cut of the lead?
IE. This way you don't have to wrench your wrist or arm at an odd, awkward, unnatural angle. Instead, holding it more naturally, with your hand raised away from the board and your knuckles not jabbing into component leads. With the tool end now parallel to the board, instead of the handle being parallel. Letting it do the work of making a proper angle, leaving your hand comfortably away from the board.

Or is it the other way around?
Where by placing the handles of the tool parallel to the board, thus raising the cutting end up and off the board surface, so as to get a proper cut length from the component lead. Each and every time.
IE. The tool automatically makes the proper length each cut when used in this fashion.

I'm sure once could use it either way, but going against what the tool was designed for, kind of defeats the purpose.
Hopefully I have described this well enough to make sense.

cheapie 04-18-2013 09:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by y_not (Post 328197)
I was wondering if you could clarify for this "flush cutter newb".

It appears from the photos that they are angled for what, a 45degree cut?
Are they designed this way so that you do not have to hold your knuckles parallel to the board to get a parallel cut of the lead?
IE. This way you don't have to wrench your wrist or arm at an odd, awkward, unnatural angle. Instead, holding it more naturally, with your hand raised away from the board and your knuckles not jabbing into component leads. With the tool end now parallel to the board, instead of the handle being parallel. Letting it do the work of making a proper angle, leaving your hand comfortably away from the board.

Or is it the other way around?
Where by placing the handles of the tool parallel to the board, thus raising the cutting end up and off the board surface, so as to get a proper cut length from the component lead. Each and every time.
IE. The tool automatically makes the proper length each cut when used in this fashion.

I'm sure once could use it either way, but going against what the tool was designed for, kind of defeats the purpose.
Hopefully I have described this well enough to make sense.

Mainly the first way.

kingsapper 10-24-2013 05:26 AM

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In my opinion...

Cutters (Diagonal, flush, etc) should be sharp and well cared for. If you use them improperly they will damage things of course, but if you use dull banged up cutters or try and cut large or too-hard material (piano wire) with your cutters you will wreck things. So don't do that.

Likewise with fine-jaw pliers and tweezers. Very handy when you're using them correctly, but if they get banged up they're worse than useless.

Cutters should be sharp. Soldering irons should be hot. Boards/components should be clean. Always solder-cap cut leads.

And moreover, the underline for all of this: Care should be taken!

cheers,
KS

farman 05-12-2014 04:10 PM

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thankssssssssssssssss

chozo4 07-29-2014 07:52 PM

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I've been guilty of using these for the purpose of lead cutting post-solder. They work well but can be tough on thicker leads due to not enough leverage from their small size. That's where proper cutters come into play.

rhomanski 03-19-2016 10:36 AM

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I was issued a pair of diamond flush cutters at work in 1990. I've used them until last week when I ordered a pair of xcelite. The diamonds got to were they wouldn't cut tie cord anymore. Never had a problem, it's called skill and common sense. Well I did cut a couple wires in two here and there, always happens. I had to crawl up in a real hard spot in the nose of a MD-80 one time because someone cut one phase to the standy horizon. It was laying over on it's side. I got it spliced though. Stood it right up.


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