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Topcat 04-15-2018 08:38 PM

Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
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It's been a while since I've done one of these threads...so what the hell!!

The X8DA8-G2 is a 7525 chipset, and technically *should* support Paxvilles,but aren't listed in their 'CPU happylist" on their site....just incase I can't get Paxville CPU's to run in this board, I did grab a cheap pair of 3.8GHz Irwindales...

This system was the freebie from the county. Stellar solid Enlight case with Enlight 470w PSU. I did the usual inspection of the PSU (whch appeared to be working)....and lo & behold, some bad fukyou caps, but otherwise its a very beefy PSU. The original board is an X5DPL-G8, old and slow server board (onboard graphics, no sounds, etc). It'll be retired and replaced with the theme of this thread.

Anyway, some pics....
Disassembled.

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1523845977

SCSI cage & controller.
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1523845977

Really beefy PSU. This case was intend for a dual redundant PSU, which can be had for about $65....not sure if I'll ante up for that though.

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1523845977

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1523845977

Retired board....
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1523845977

More to come...

momaka 04-16-2018 02:34 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
That power supply sure looks familiar :rolleyes: . Oh wait, here is its cousin :D :
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...postcount=2352

In short, it's a Topower unit. Oldschool half-bridge design, but built very well (minus the caps). No APFC BS either, so might just last forever (or for quite long).

Topcat 04-18-2018 09:25 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
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No bust this time.... X6DAE/X6DA8 will run Paxvilles. :D

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524065059

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524065059

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524065059

ratdude747 04-18-2018 12:17 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
^I'll be curious to see if it's stable with both CPUs running (and reported in windows). If so, I might see about grabbing a pair for my setup, assuming my cooling is up to par. My concern is that the VRM won't like the added load and cause instability and the like.

Topcat 04-18-2018 12:59 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
I dont forsee any problems. VRM *appears* the same as the DAI (hell all 4 of these boards use the same BIOS). W7 pro x64 sees all 4 cores + HT (8 CPU's) and 16gb RAM. Those pics were taken using one CPU and a Dell Precision 470 heatsinks for POST purposes. It is adequate for cooling in abovementioned precision 470, which runs the Paxvilles used for this experiment. I never had cooling issues, and I've had some interesting loads on that machine (used it for testing some things back in the day). It's permanent coolers will be some solid copper OEM Intel heatsinks.

ratdude747 04-18-2018 01:27 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
^That's what I have, fan swapped (PWM) Solid intel heatsinks. Maybe I need to buy a set on ebay to try out in V4.1?

RJARRRPCGP 04-18-2018 02:01 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Looks like as long as there isn't a cheapo-socket AM3+ (and AM3) motherboard-like-incident, you're probably OK.

I just hope that there don't end up being a Kentucky-fried power delivery system, like with MSI AM3+ motherboards...

Topcat 04-18-2018 08:08 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
^
That's not too much of a worry with these type of boards....they're pretty robust in that department.

ratdude747 04-18-2018 08:36 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
^Got benchmarks?

Just curious, I'd like to see what the paxvilles can do compared to my 3.8 Irwindales.

Oh what the hell, I found them for $10 a pop shipped. I'll take that to my thread... :D

Topcat 04-18-2018 08:49 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 820708)
^Got benchmarks?

Just curious, I'd like to see what the paxvilles can do compared to my 3.8 Irwindales.

Oh what the hell, I found them for $10 a pop shipped. I'll take that to my thread... :D

I dont yet, but I will....unless you get to it first.... :D Yea, netburst era stuff is filthy cheap!

ratdude747 04-18-2018 09:07 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Topcat (Post 820709)
I dont yet, but I will....unless you get to it first.... :D Yea, netburst era stuff is filthy cheap!

And as cheap as that was ($20 for a pair, although the listing said lot of 2 in the description so maybe I got 4???), the 16GB of DDR2 in it was cheaper ($16 shipped, hell yes!)

Topcat 04-18-2018 11:16 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
I got 16gb today for 12 bucks shipped. If you do end up with 4 CPU's, let me know....I'll take the 2 extras off your hands if you don't have a need for them.

ratdude747 04-19-2018 05:18 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Topcat (Post 820725)
I got 16gb today for 12 bucks shipped. If you do end up with 4 CPU's, let me know....I'll take the 2 extras off your hands if you don't have a need for them.

See my thread. I might have a use for them...

Topcat 04-23-2018 08:50 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
My 16gb of $12 Micron memory arrived today... When I have some time, I'll start piecing this one together.

momaka 04-23-2018 09:43 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Hmmm.. So I did some search on what these Paxville CPUs are, and correct me if I am wrong, but looks like they are the server version (Xeon) of the Pentium D based on the Pentium 4 architecture, no? If so, it's interesting to note that these Xeon CPUs have HT, whereas the Pentium D CPUs don't.

In any case, these are 135 Watt TDP CPUs according to my research, so good heatsinks are definitely needed (like the 6-pipe Dell Precision 470 heatsink that Topcat showed above). Also probably not so great to run these in the hot summer months. But they might be just what one needs to keep the house warm in the winter. :D

Topcat 04-24-2018 10:46 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Just for the sake of tinkering, and the fact that I already have 2 fully functioning Paxville systems, I'm going to do some diddling around with this system and the 3.8GHz Irwindales....

The burning question (pun for netburst), what will perform better? Will it be 4x cores @ 2.8GHz or 2x cores @ 3.8GHz...hmmmm

ratdude747 04-24-2018 11:04 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
^Taking benchmarks?

Topcat 04-24-2018 01:14 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 821936)
^Taking benchmarks?

Yes, I'm working on a little 'showdown'. A X6DAI vs a X6DA8, paxville vs irwindale. One will be SAS, the other U320 SCSI (both in RAID configurations), but otherwise pretty identical. I have to find (or dig through my stuff) another FX4800 GPU so they'll be on par...but otherwise they're the same system other than the HDD interfaces...which will make yet another point of comparison albeit we know which interface will win...but still kinda cool to see and put numbers to. :rock:

Between the house build and other stuff, it may take me a little bit to get this together, but it'll get done.

ratdude747 04-25-2018 06:07 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
I have benchmarks on 3.8 Irwindales. 16GB Ram, GeForce 9800GT GPU. HDDs are 2 7200RPM WD 160GB's (RAID 0) on a 3ware 9650SE. I haven't swapped to Paxvilles yet as me AS5 shipement hasn't come yet (and I won't be back home until Sunday).

Topcat 04-26-2018 10:17 AM

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I diddled around with this a little this morning... Mainly for testing purposes to make sure I have working hardware. This test is with the Irwindale processors. Of course this post was created from it. Wtaerfox 56.1.0 functions excellent on it. Quick load and smooth as silk browsing....although I haven't put it through the youtube test....

I now remembered one of the sucky parts about SCSI, its the slowest booting bastard, even though its U320 with a 15k RPM HDD. Once it boots, its fine (benchmarks to come when I get it to a permanent state).

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524759264

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524759264

Missing caddies located and replaced.
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524759264

CPU-Z:
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524759264

More to come, but back to my other project for now.

RJARRRPCGP 04-26-2018 11:17 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Topcat (Post 822457)
I diddled around with this a little this morning... Mainly for testing purposes to make sure I have working hardware. This test is with the Irwindale processors. Of course this post was created from it. Wtaerfox 56.1.0 functions excellent on it. Quick load and smooth as silk browsing....although I haven't put it through the youtube test....

I now remembered one of the sucky parts about SCSI, its the slowest booting bastard, even though its U320 with a 15k RPM HDD. Once it boots, its fine (benchmarks to come when I get it to a permanent state).

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524759264

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524759264

Missing caddies located and replaced.
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524759264

CPU-Z:
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524759264

More to come, but back to my other project for now.

CPU-Z shows wrong Vcore value, SMH...

https://ark.intel.com/products/codename/5960/Irwindale

https://ark.intel.com/products/codename/6191/Paxville

Topcat 04-26-2018 11:27 AM

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^
Now that you mention it, yea. If they were running at 2.6v, they'd be melting.

Just to be sure, I checked the BIOS monitoring, its where it should be. Bug in CPU-Z I guess....my *guess* would be that CPU-Z is adding the 2 VCORE values into one reading.

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1524763949

Stefan Payne 04-26-2018 12:40 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Topcat (Post 819976)
This system was the freebie from the county. Stellar solid Enlight case with Enlight 470w PSU. I did the usual inspection of the PSU (whch appeared to be working)....and lo & behold, some bad fukyou caps, but otherwise its a very beefy PSU.

still a garbage PSU, as are (almost) all Topower made ones.

That one looks like it doesn't have the active PFC Board, does it??
And its either P4 or P5 series...
And the big heatsinks are due to really shity efficiency - the one's I've seen are around 65%, maybe lower 70% range...

Even if it seems fine, I'd throw it away and use a more trustworthy unit...

RJARRRPCGP 04-26-2018 12:48 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan Payne (Post 822488)
Even if it seems fine, I'd throw it away and use a more trustworthy unit...

I did that to my 2007 GeForce 7600 GS, LOL. Focking FZ caps!

Topcat 04-26-2018 01:20 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan Payne (Post 822488)
still a garbage PSU, as are (almost) all Topower made ones.

That one looks like it doesn't have the active PFC Board, does it??
And its either P4 or P5 series...
And the big heatsinks are due to really shity efficiency - the one's I've seen are around 65%, maybe lower 70% range...

Even if it seems fine, I'd throw it away and use a more trustworthy unit...

I'm not using that PSU in this build, I haven't even messed with it beyond taking the cover off. I have a couple Supermicro PSU's to choose from (a 865W and a 665W, both are Ablecom built), and those are bulletproof.

The pics shown are using a bench supply, Antec HE650 (seasonic & recapped)....good PSU's.

Topcat 04-29-2018 11:54 AM

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I piddled around with it a little this morning, I got the case debadged, sticky goo removed, and washed out.

Just a few pics...

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525024328

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525024328

So much awesome!
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525024328

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525024328

Even more elderly PC awesome!https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525024328

More later.

Topcat 04-30-2018 11:10 AM

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I assembled this system this morning. Its so nice working with well-built cases!! :rock:

I ended up using a 500w Supermicro PSU (Not sure who OEM'd this one)...Yes RD, its that one that came out of one of your new cases many moons ago. I used it in another system, and sold it a few years ago....the client upgraded and I ended up with that system back...and here we are.

Anyway, I want to change HDD's around a bit. It's running a single 146gb 15k RPM. I want to get a few more and try a few different SCSI RAID configs, for benchmarking & testing purposes....but its running & stable right now, in an awesome & clean case. Fun project for under 100 bucks! :D

Photographic goodness....

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525107830

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525107830

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525107830

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525107830

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525107830

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525107830

Here's the Crystal DiskMark for a single drive U320 15k RPM on an Adaptec 2120S RAID controller....yikes its slow compared to SAS! :eek: I'll retest this when I can run it in a raid0/10.

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525109849

I'll hunt down some drives whenever I have some more free time... This post of course created from the freshly assembled Irwindale Awesomeness.

Snayperskaya 05-02-2018 06:11 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Pretty nice to see old server-grade still kicking. But I can't help and be nervous when I see a pile of boards stacked up without an ESD bag. Hahaha

momaka 05-02-2018 06:43 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan Payne (Post 822488)
still a garbage PSU, as are (almost) all Topower made ones.

That one looks like it doesn't have the active PFC Board, does it??
And its either P4 or P5 series...
And the big heatsinks are due to really shity efficiency - the one's I've seen are around 65%, maybe lower 70% range...

Even if it seems fine, I'd throw it away and use a more trustworthy unit...

No, this one is actually a pretty reliable PSU. Just has pretty low efficiency, like you said. It's basically a 5V design with a "beefed-up" 12V rail. Of course, like any oldschool design like that, don't expect to pull full total label power on the 12V rail or even half of that without some serious sag on the 12V rail. But all in all, it's a good PSU and is more than adequate for the system that it was running (sans the Quaddro FX4800, of course).

That said, be glad this PSU didn't come with APFC. Otherwise, that efficiency number would have been even worse. Not to mention make a big dent in reliability. Only real server-grade PSUs can be considered reliable with APFC, at least from what I've seen. The APFC garbage we see in consumer units today is just a ticking time bomb. A few years and *bang* goes the primary cap(s). I have seen very very FEW oldschool PSUs with voltage-doubler circuit have their primary caps go bang (usually, it's from incident with the 115/230V switch set to 115V on 230V mains). In contrast, I have seen a considerable amount of "modern" units with blown APFC circuits / primary caps - even with Japanese brands.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snayperskaya (Post 823660)
But I can't help and be nervous when I see a pile of boards stacked up without an ESD bag. Hahaha

ESD is rarely a problem, unless you live in a really dry climate or store your stuff in a dry room environment (especially with carpet).

I too rarely store my stuff in an ESD bag. Here on the US East Coast, there's too much moisture in the air during the summer and fall for ESD to be a problem. On the flip side of that, moisture causes contacts to tarnish a lot quicker. And if you store your stuff in an underground / basement with lots of dust, that's almost equivalent of storing your stuff under water, lol.

Topcat 05-02-2018 09:15 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by momaka (Post 823815)
No, this one is actually a pretty reliable PSU. Just has pretty low efficiency, like you said. It's basically a 5V design with a "beefed-up" 12V rail. Of course, like any oldschool design like that, don't expect to pull full total label power on the 12V rail or even half of that without some serious sag on the 12V rail. But all in all, it's a good PSU and is more than adequate for the system that it was running (sans the Quaddro FX4800, of course).

Thats why I didn't use it in this build....I'm going to recap it and store it for a retro box....some oddball P-classic through P3 era system. This system would be a little overwhelming for it, not only for the higher TDP netburst CPU's, the FX4800, and then add in 4x 15,000RPM HDD's (the originals were 2x 9.1gb 7200RPM)...

brethin 05-03-2018 02:25 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Those systems are great fun to build but none want them. I have a room full of fun builds going back to the 8086 8088 days and while I love them like my kids, all they do is take up space and collect dust.☹️

ratdude747 05-03-2018 08:11 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by brethin (Post 823861)
Those systems are great fun to build but none want them. I have a room full of fun builds going back to the 8086 8088 days and while I love them like my kids, all they do is take up space and collect dust.☹️

I have one (X6DA8-G2, Twin 3.8 Irwindales w/ Geforce 9800GT GPU) as my living room PC. Does that make me weird? :goofy:

It struggles a bit on 1080P 60 frame youtube videos :( , but otherwise it does what it needs to...

RJARRRPCGP 05-03-2018 11:34 AM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 823903)

It struggles a bit on 1080P 60 frame youtube videos :( , but otherwise it does what it needs to...

By how much? A jerk fest like a later-2010s Braswell laptop CPU?

The (Pentium N3700, IIRC) laptop that was given to my sister was shit, when it came to 60 FPS 1080p YouTube videos!

ratdude747 05-03-2018 12:35 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RJARRRPCGP (Post 823939)
By how much? A jerk fest like a later-2010s Braswell laptop CPU?

The (Pentium N3700, IIRC) laptop that was given to my sister was shit, when it came to 60 FPS 1080p YouTube videos!

Stutters every 3-10 seconds. Lots of buffering but not due to the actual buffer.

Topcat 05-03-2018 01:15 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
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...and another strange sleeper is born... Finally got around to testing this X6DAL. It's the DDR1 version, I've got 8x 2gb sticks, so populating all 6 slots gives me 12gb.....good enough. It flunked the Paxville test, it would only recognize one CPU (both cores), but socket 2 was not seen. This board came with a pair of 3.6GHz Irwindales, of course both CPU sockets show and function with the Irwindales installed.

...but I've got a couple old P3-era beige Aopen cases that this might fit nicely in...

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525374843

RJARRRPCGP 05-04-2018 01:29 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 823942)
Lots of buffering but not due to the actual buffer.

I think I had that kind of issue before, even with a Core 2 and later, IIRC, LOL.

Topcat 05-05-2018 12:05 PM

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...and here's the start...I'll just throw this build into this thread since they're kind of 'cousins', no need for a new one.

What better use for an old beige Aopen case...
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525543396

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525543396

Some modifying will be required (which makes it more fun anyway):
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525543396

Old mATX P4 system (momaka, let me know if you want it, it works).
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525543396

More to come....

noppa 05-05-2018 06:17 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
Maybe you should try an updated version.


Quote:

Originally Posted by RJARRRPCGP (Post 822467)


Topcat 05-05-2018 08:45 PM

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...and looky what turned up in the junk pile... :D

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1525574663

ratdude747 05-05-2018 10:32 PM

Re: Paxville or Bust! The Supermicro X6DA8 Project
 
^I have the PNY "energy efficient" version in my irwindale box... slighly less performance (underclocked a tad), but uses a slimmer heatsink and is under 75W (no PCIe power connector, which is good since that PSU doesn't have it).


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