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Behemot 01-24-2018 02:04 PM

Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
Display only blinks and than stays dead. Check open the PSU revealed it is dead.

There are three output rails: winding to feed the TEA1791T synchronnous rectification controller (this thing has no connection with primary side!), the output for the rectification transistor - this rail feeds the signal board, and than backlight rail.

Seems like the unit only pumps few cycles to the secondary so voltage rises a bit and than falls down as the caps discharge. I have about 15.5 V on a small cap on the primary auxiliary rail just after the diode which slowly falls, pumps again to 15.5 V and that repeats.

There is however oscillating voltage between like 18 and 19.6 V on the cap directly in front of the primary common PFC/PWM controller. Do not think this is normal condition. Cannot identify the controller right now, it has layer of lackquer, gonna have to try removing it.

I do see only 320V on the input cap though, there is no spike suggesting the PFC would be turning on, so maybe the problem lays in here?

Behemot 01-25-2018 06:30 AM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
It's very difficult to read anything in here but it seems like the PFC/quasi-resonant flyback controller is NXP, possibly TEA1751T. According to the datasheet, the startup voltage is 21-23 V so when it's at 18-19.6 that's too low.

The path goes from the auxiliary winding on primary side through inductor to an SMD diode, capacitor and than there is "K415 C200" TO-92 bipolar transistor. The 15V feed leads to its collector, the oscillating 18-19.6V output is on its emitter. Collector and base has 1002 SMD resistor in between and base is also connected through an SMD zener to return.

So it seems like some amplifier with zener feedback? And this is to feed the Vcc of the controller.

fred41 05-09-2018 07:04 AM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Behemot (Post 799901)
It's very difficult to read anything in here but it seems like the PFC/quasi-resonant flyback controller is NXP, possibly TEA1751T. According to the datasheet, the startup voltage is 21-23 V so when it's at 18-19.6 that's too low.

The path goes from the auxiliary winding on primary side through inductor to an SMD diode, capacitor and than there is "K415 C200" TO-92 bipolar transistor. The 15V feed leads to its collector, the oscillating 18-19.6V output is on its emitter. Collector and base has 1002 SMD resistor in between and base is also connected through an SMD zener to return.

So it seems like some amplifier with zener feedback? And this is to feed the Vcc of the controller.

I also have a dead power board, did you manage to find some datasheet, schematics, wathever informations about this card? Thanks

budm 05-09-2018 10:18 AM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
If we can see some good clear pictures of the boards and how they are connected together, that will be a good starting point.

fred41 05-10-2018 07:57 PM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
https://www.abcelectronique.com/foru...chmentid=63232
https://www.abcelectronique.com/foru...chmentid=63235
https://www.abcelectronique.com/foru...chmentid=63236
http://i66.tinypic.com/fun7s8.jpg

If you need more detailled pictures or anything else, ask.

Thanks

fred41 05-13-2018 11:25 AM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by budm (Post 825196)
If we can see some good clear pictures of the boards and how they are connected together, that will be a good starting point.

Is it useful?

Thanks

budm 05-13-2018 05:46 PM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
SO, what Voltages do you have on that white connector of the power supply board that goes to the logic/main board?

fred41 05-15-2018 04:43 AM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by budm (Post 825984)
SO, what Voltages do you have on that white connector of the power supply board that goes to the logic/main board?

Hi, Budm

Thanks for your answer

I have no light on the front power push button.

I tested the general 220v power switch on the back, and the fuse.

And to answer your question, I have 0v on each wire on the white connector, with the board plugged or unplugged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uVT8g2OchQ


I have 335Vdc arriving to the "120F / 450V" capacitor, and I unsoldered it and tested it too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL7uwboCR70


Hope I done everything right, and made myself understood, English is not my first language.

Thanks

budm 05-15-2018 11:31 AM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
In your picture #2 on the bottom left, there is an IC (18-PIN?) there, can you read the P/N?

fred41 05-16-2018 10:14 AM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
Hi, I tried to take pictures and read the part references

http://i64.tinypic.com/2s1rus8.jpg

n1 : NXP TEA1751T CDX12104 TXD14241

n2 : MPS1431 MP3398 E44H2168A

n3 : unreadable, but seems to be the same as n2

thanks

budm 05-16-2018 11:14 AM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by fred41 (Post 826551)
Hi, I tried to take pictures and read the part references

http://i64.tinypic.com/2s1rus8.jpg

n1 : NXP TEA1751T CDX12104 TXD14241

n2 : MPS1431 MP3398 E44H2168A

n3 : unreadable, but seems to be the same as n2

thanks

OK, #1 is the one we need to find out if it has DC Voltage between VCC pin and Gnd for it run or not. Please see the spec sheet.
NOTES: You will be working in the HOT DEADLY side of the circuit so do not touch ANYTHING with your hands or body, you should at least plug the monitor into GFCI outlet.

fred41 05-16-2018 12:24 PM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by budm (Post 826576)
OK, #1 is the one we need to find out if it has DC Voltage between VCC pin and Gnd for it run or not. Please see the spec sheet.
NOTES: You will be working in the HOT DEADLY side of the circuit so do not touch ANYTHING with your hands or body, you should at least plug the monitor into GFCI outlet.

Thanks a loot for your answer, but I'm not sure what GFCI means exactly, is it an outlet with ground? I live in France , and this is the default wall outlet we have :

https://www.electriciencoutras.fr/wp...se-terre-1.jpg

Am I right for where to test?

http://i67.tinypic.com/30m9wnl.jpg

Andrew F. Ali 05-16-2018 12:42 PM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
GFCI means Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter. This is an electrical outlet with Reset button and a Test button on it that should a shock hazard be detected it would switch the supply to the receptacle OFF.

fred41 05-16-2018 12:47 PM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew F. Ali (Post 826605)
GFCI means Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter. This is an electrical outlet with Reset button and a Test button on it that should a shock hazard be detected it would switch the supply to the receptacle OFF.

Like this?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1-BDQ1vNdL.jpg

I have one

Andrew F. Ali 05-16-2018 01:06 PM

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This is how our electrical GFCI outlets look like. The RED button is the RESET and the BLACK button is the TEST. So is a fault is detected the RED button pops up and disconnects the supply and to reset is to just push it back in. When the Test button is depressed the RESET button pops up and so we know the system is working.

budm 05-16-2018 02:32 PM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
EURO GFCI outlet:
http://internationalconfig.com/icc6.asp?item=4721-10HG2

budm 05-16-2018 02:36 PM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fred41 (Post 826598)
Thanks a loot for your answer, but I'm not sure what GFCI means exactly, is it an outlet with ground? I live in France , and this is the default wall outlet we have :

https://www.electriciencoutras.fr/wp...se-terre-1.jpg

Am I right for where to test?

http://i67.tinypic.com/30m9wnl.jpg

That is correct pin out for TEA1751:
Pin 1 = VCC
Pin 2 = GND

Andrew F. Ali 05-16-2018 06:29 PM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by budm (Post 826642)

Thanks budm

fred41 05-17-2018 01:30 PM

Re: Acer B326HUL power supply dead
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by budm (Post 826576)
OK, #1 is the one we need to find out if it has DC Voltage between VCC pin and Gnd for it run or not. Please see the spec sheet.
NOTES: You will be working in the HOT DEADLY side of the circuit so do not touch ANYTHING with your hands or body, you should at least plug the monitor into GFCI outlet.

I measured 18.5Vdc - 19Vdc

And I didn't blew up the house, nor I burned myself...

Thanks everyone


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