The "leaked" Windows 11

[clearchris]

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I would see licensing costs being a small part of it.....hardware cost being the other part. Chromebooks are cheap compared to even EDU pricing on a palletload of new Dell Win10 netbooks. I don't see one 'cloud' really being any better than the other....they're all on par with eachother there IMO. They all spy on you the same, require clumsy annoying accounts, and can type letters and research papers with the best of them. IMHO, the others just 'caught up' to M$....and here we are.

Exactly. I'm kind of surprised to see MS jump on the spyware bandwagon, that could have been their selling point. Sure, you could go with google, but do you trust them? Nope, instead, MS is also trying to pick up some pennies. That's Apple's angle right now. Apple is much more expensive, but they are certainly making the right noises about protecting users.

But yeah, for any functional dell latitude, you are likely looking at $1500 for something with decent specs. You could probably get 5 chromebooks for that price. That's not to say that there aren't downsides to chromebooks (short lifespan, few software updates, etc) but generally, chromebooks are almost disposable, so maybe no one cares about chromebooks being EOL after 2 years.

[Topcat]

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But that's not really it either. MS has almost token pricing for educational use. Not that long ago, when I was getting my MBA, I bought an educational copy of Windows and Office and the price was under $30 for both IIRC. The real money is the difference is hardware required for each. Look at the price for a chromebook that runs pretty quick, and look at the price for a laptop that runs windows quick. There's your real savings.

Again, MS ignores the low end at their peril.

I would see licensing costs being a small part of it.....hardware cost being the other part. Chromebooks are cheap compared to even EDU pricing on a palletload of new Dell Win10 netbooks. I don't see one 'cloud' really being any better than the other....they're all on par with eachother there IMO. They all spy on you the same, require clumsy annoying accounts, and can type letters and research papers with the best of them. IMHO, the others just 'caught up' to M$....and here we are.

[clearchris]

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This x2. If wondering why, look at the licensing fees of M$ versus anyone else.

But that's not really it either. MS has almost token pricing for educational use. Not that long ago, when I was getting my MBA, I bought an educational copy of Windows and Office and the price was under $30 for both IIRC. The real money is the difference is hardware required for each. Look at the price for a chromebook that runs pretty quick, and look at the price for a laptop that runs windows quick. There's your real savings.

Again, MS ignores the low end at their peril.

[ratdude747]

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they still use fax machines in japan and other country's that use symbolic languages.

We still do in the US too... mainly due to fax being such a "hard" standard that faxed docs still carry the legal power of any signatures, while a regular scanned file doesn't (due to it being so easy to forge/modify). I've had to fax time sheets for my previous employer (field retail work, signature needed to ensure people get paid for their work and that the stores we worked in approved our work)... and all sorts of docs when I bought my house. Not to say fax can't be hacked, but it takes a lot more effort than a 2 year old and MS paint to cause trouble.

[stj]

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Because in 1995, we all knew they would still be using fax machines for primary commutations instead of a different messaging system in 2021

they still use fax machines in japan and other country's that use symbolic languages.

[Topcat]

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Well, considering that they are really pushing office online, it might be:

Ubuntu Desktop with Cloud MS Office. But probably not considering you get Windows bundled with most machines, but that's changing. The more likely angle is that Google is nipping at their heels with chromebooks, and TBH, they are pretty functional. It wouldn't surprise me to see Google's cloud suite supplant MS Office one day, all because MS ignored the lower end of the market. I don't have much hope for liber office, they are trying to be a good MS Office clone for computers that likely already have MS Office on them.

What are they teaching in k-12 today? Chromebooks and google's cloud programs.

This x2. If wondering why, look at the licensing fees of M$ versus anyone else.

[clearchris]

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Well, considering that they are really pushing office online, it might be:

Ubuntu Desktop with Cloud MS Office. But probably not considering you get Windows bundled with most machines, but that's changing. The more likely angle is that Google is nipping at their heels with chromebooks, and TBH, they are pretty functional. It wouldn't surprise me to see Google's cloud suite supplant MS Office one day, all because MS ignored the lower end of the market. I don't have much hope for liber office, they are trying to be a good MS Office clone for computers that likely already have MS Office on them.

What are they teaching in k-12 today? Chromebooks and google's cloud programs.

[Uranium-235]

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Microsoft is still the main business angle.

Job Requirements:
Open office on an Unbutu linux distro

(instead of office on windows 10, like most big corps do for regular jagoffs)

better yet

college classes:
mysql on linux

(instead of Access on microsoft server)

95% of everyone is trained for windows and office. Rest that aren't are higher end system admins

[clearchris]

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Because in 1995, we all knew they would still be using fax machines for primary commutations instead of a different messaging system in 2021

Microsoft's problem is basically that they are now, and have been for a while, a bunch of followers. They really don't have the nerve anymore to do anything groundbreaking. Apple changed and took over industries with the iPod and later the iPhone. Google saw the long term threat to their eyeballs from the iPhone and made Android. Microsoft should have had at least an advantage with business users because of lock-in due to the office suite, but who took the business phone users? Blackberry at first, but Windows Mobile was never a serious contender.

Microsoft's biggest contribution in relatively recent years to the hardware space was the Microsoft Mouse. It was a great piece of hardware, high quality, a great product, it took what was wrong with the existing mice, corrected them all and entended (a little).

How sad is that? Their main vision is to basically protect the dwindling market they have and sometimes make a half hearted attempt to break into other markets. If communications / computers are going to change much in the coming years, Microsoft won't be leading the charge.

[Topcat]

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Ok, now that was funny.

[Uranium-235]

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microsoft's problem is they think the start of "Johny Mnemonic" is something to aim for.
no need for a keyboard or screen, just a pair of nintendo power gloves, a vr headset and a microsoft compatable vaccine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzRjtvMQds4

Because in 1995, we all knew they would still be using fax machines for primary commutations instead of a different messaging system in 2021

[stj]

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microsoft's problem is they think the start of "Johny Mnemonic" is something to aim for.
no need for a keyboard or screen, just a pair of nintendo power gloves, a vr headset and a microsoft compatable vaccine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzRjtvMQds4

[kaboom]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

The question should be, as always, "does it leak" vs "was it a leak."
Or, "is water wet?"

RJ, I'll see your W7, and raise you XP.
Especially on P43 & P45. There are... ways of making it work.

[Uranium-235]

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What I'm worried about, is that Microsoft, possibly perm-banned X79.
Even worse, if they perm-banned X99 and the later ultra-high-end-platforms from Intel, with quad-channel-SDRAM-support.

It's one thing to perm-ban P43 and P45, which are socket 775, as nobody even runs 10 with them, usually, TMK! (and everything with DDR2)

For socket 775=Better stay with Windows 7, or go to Linux!

I have a customer with W10 on a P43, 6gb of ram and a C2D 6750 (and obviously and SSD)

seems to work fine

[dmill89]

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QTF!

Heck, I'm still on the line about Windows 7 (Vista for sure sucked.) I know a lot of you will think I'm crazy to say this... but I just can't get used to 7 for certain things, like organizing my files/data, which is one of the main things I've been using my computers for in the last 2 decades now. Windows Explorer has been getting progressively worse with Vista and onwards in terms of design. Despite MS adding a shitton of options, the interface is more buggy. For example, I can't set one type of folder view and grouping in my main music folder, but have other folders within it to use a different view and grouping. In XP, this was never a problem (aside from the rare bug that sometimes, after many years and many files of use and abuse, some certain folders may eventually develop a mind of their own and start switching views a bit "randomly".) And there are a ton of other things I don't even want to go into details about. The only reason why I keep any Windows 7 PCs ATM is because that's the last OS that supports current Firefox Quantum, which is what I need for Youtube and a few other websites, as these otherwise render/run poorly on the old non-quantum FF engine due to not being able to take advantage of multi-CPUs. And Win7 is the last OS that supports a few online games I still play. If it wasn't for these two, I probably wouldn't have any Win7 machines. And Windows 8/10? - no thanks! By the looks of that, Windows 11 indeed appears to be just Windows 10 with rounded corners... and maybe some things moved around to mess around with people. Win 11 seems like a lame attempt for current MS software devs to just look busy and have something to do.


Exactly!
Seems like a sucker is born every minute with the "newer is always better" mentality... and those of us who don't agree with that mentality are grossly outnumbered at this point. That's not to say I'm the type who thinks "older is always better". Rather, I'm the type that thinks "if something works good enough with optimal efficiency, don't touch it" type of guy. We have a lot of old products that fall into that latter category that companies want to change simply to make a buck, unfortunately. Windows OS is no exception.

Agreed, nothing Microsoft has come out with in the last decade or so has actually been a significant improvement over the previous version/product
and in many cases has been worse than what proceeded it(not that MS has ever been spectacular, but they've really gone to shit in recent years), not just Windows, but Office (I know where they can jam their "ribbon"), and the steaming turd that is MS teams (which aside from being a poor design in general has more bugs than a roach motel), etc.

[momaka]

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i dont know why anybody even cares about w11, 8 was bad, 10 was worse.
you exect 11 to be better?

QTF!

Heck, I'm still on the line about Windows 7 (Vista for sure sucked.) I know a lot of you will think I'm crazy to say this... but I just can't get used to 7 for certain things, like organizing my files/data, which is one of the main things I've been using my computers for in the last 2 decades now. Windows Explorer has been getting progressively worse with Vista and onwards in terms of design. Despite MS adding a shitton of options, the interface is more buggy. For example, I can't set one type of folder view and grouping in my main music folder, but have other folders within it to use a different view and grouping. In XP, this was never a problem (aside from the rare bug that sometimes, after many years and many files of use and abuse, some certain folders may eventually develop a mind of their own and start switching views a bit "randomly".) And there are a ton of other things I don't even want to go into details about. The only reason why I keep any Windows 7 PCs ATM is because that's the last OS that supports current Firefox Quantum, which is what I need for Youtube and a few other websites, as these otherwise render/run poorly on the old non-quantum FF engine due to not being able to take advantage of multi-CPUs. And Win7 is the last OS that supports a few online games I still play. If it wasn't for these two, I probably wouldn't have any Win7 machines. And Windows 8/10? - no thanks! By the looks of that, Windows 11 indeed appears to be just Windows 10 with rounded corners... and maybe some things moved around to mess around with people. Win 11 seems like a lame attempt for current MS software devs to just look busy and have something to do.

They won't listen (especially the "less spyware" part - everything spies on you, and the average person loves it because they can control their kitchen faucet from their phone instead of reaching over and moving the handle). If you don't like it, some troll will call you a Luddite. You have to embrace change, even when it's objectively bad.

Exactly!
Seems like a sucker is born every minute with the "newer is always better" mentality... and those of us who don't agree with that mentality are grossly outnumbered at this point. That's not to say I'm the type who thinks "older is always better". Rather, I'm the type that thinks "if something works good enough with optimal efficiency, don't touch it" type of guy. We have a lot of old products that fall into that latter category that companies want to change simply to make a buck, unfortunately. Windows OS is no exception.

[stj]

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TPM isnt even real on most systems, it's emulated in software by the bios!!!

[RJARRRPCGP]

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Win10 pro runs very well on LGA775 C2Q or Xeon (Harpertown 5400 series) modded DDR2 (some were DDR3) systems. The key to this is a SSD. Through the pandemic, I sold a lot of them to folks who needed cheap work-from-home systems. Even today, they're fabulous web browsing, emailing, facebarfing, letter typers....and with an upgraded GPU will play games to some degree.

Well, I knew that it's possible to get 10 to run well with 775, especially a Yorkfield with an SSD. But most didn't even bother. Even I haven't yet.
But, I do have a healthy dose of SATA SSDs!

The reason that I haven't even tried 10 on my P45 motherboard, is, because 7 does everything I need it to do! Heck, even a much later system that's socket FM2+, with the A88X chipset, does well with Windows 7.

[BigTroll]

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LOL tpm scalping what a joke. POSTED FROM MY DELL INSPIRON 1521 RUNNING WINDOWS VISTA!

[lti]

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As I said earlier, the CPU support list for Windows 10 is equally stupid. It says that Windows 10 won't run on Haswell or older Intel CPUs.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...amd-processors

The "requirement" is the same for the old 2015 release of Windows 10, too.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

There's also this new insanity:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tp...ive-windows-11

Let's make the component shortages and scalping worse because of something that isn't even close to being released. That's a great idea.