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**370forlife** · 11-09-2009, 07:39 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

According to that hardwarecanuks review, the 500W dosen't have fujiyuu, but JEE primaries and Goldlink secondaries. I've only see JEE in Yuelin's and some leadman's, and Goldlink in sunpro's.

Wintech's are usually ok after a recap. About like deer. Looks like these have poor ripple suppression with both hitting or exceeding the 120mv allowed for the 12v.

At least deer's actually keep the ripple down to 50mv even before blowing up, but then again they blow up.

**washu** · 11-09-2009, 08:42 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

While the TDPs are similar, that cooler is only rated for an 1800+, not a 2400+. Given it's size I doubt it would work well with a 1800+ either. Reversing the fan won't help any either, that heat sink isn't designed for reverse airflow. Also, regardless of air direction does the delta fan have a comparable CFM to the stock fan?

Also make sure your CPU voltages are right.

**ratdude747** · 11-09-2009, 08:56 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

voltages are right. that cpu always seemed to run hot... i have a palimino 1800+ if needed... i had to reverse it so it wouldnt fight the psu...

the old fan was dead. this one is better, i think.

ill try the palimino if i must... are rthere any other slim coolers that would work here?

**ratdude747** · 11-09-2009, 08:58 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

Originally posted by 370forlife

According to that hardwarecanuks review, the 500W dosen't have fujiyuu, but JEE primaries and Goldlink secondaries. I've only see JEE in Yuelin's and some leadman's, and Goldlink in sunpro's.

Wintech's are usually ok after a recap. About like deer. Looks like these have poor ripple suppression with both hitting or exceeding the 120mv allowed for the 12v.

At least deer's actually keep the ripple down to 50mv even before blowing up, but then again they blow up.

mine is a 500, but it had more in common with the 400. i opened it up... fuhyyu. my other new one i got matched the 500 they had. 2 revisions i guess.

**dood** · 11-09-2009, 09:18 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

Put the cooler back blowing the way it was meant to, to test, and go from there.

**ratdude747** · 11-09-2009, 09:21 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

cant, new screws too long. and the old ones were used to test my screw cutter. besudes, i figured the cooler would fight the psu in the orginal configuration. remember this is a sidesaddle psu case.

**washu** · 11-09-2009, 09:32 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

How much room do you have? 1U, 2U? more?. Given what you say about the position of the PS a side blower might work better if it will fit.

I'd still try the fan blowing the correct way, even if it is fighting the PS fan. Can't hurt to try.

**momaka** · 11-09-2009, 09:45 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

Originally posted by washu

While the TDPs are similar, that cooler is only rated for an 1800+, not a 2400+. Given it's size I doubt it would work well with a 1800+ either. Reversing the fan won't help any either, that heat sink isn't designed for reverse airflow.

I agree. Get a nice, big heatsink that supports your CPU. This also probably means that you'll need a different case. A case with a sidesaddle PSU over the CPU heatsink doesn't work well at all. I had an EE (Powmax?) case like that, and without modifications to the CPU cooler, the CPU fan was only about 5mm away from the PSU bottom side (hence airflow was partially blocked). Temperatures were 51C under load, even though the heatsink was much better than required for my CPU's spec. The processor was an AMD Duron Applebred 1.4 GHz CPU (which I believe has lower TDP rating than yours).
My solution: put the system in a normal ATX case. Temperatures now read 37C under load when outside temperature is 25C (77F).

**ratdude747** · 11-09-2009, 09:55 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

that was the point, to have a compact case. if i wanted a "normal" one for the challenge, i have one for it. thats not the point. the original point was to make a server out of it. i have another board i could use i guess, but it needs help. ill have a new thread on that if needed.

so if solution is normal case, then we have a dead horse, a problem with no solution.

and the clearance of the fan is acceptable. and the psu intake is right next to the fan.

ill use my 1gz tbird in it. it will suck but i lose.

**ratdude747** · 11-09-2009, 10:26 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

still running as hot w/ tbird. i got a boot- my bootloader was on my other drive.

yes, its older ee back when they were study. i have a newer one thats flimsy, but its going to the scrap pile.

**ratdude747** · 11-09-2009, 10:30 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

Originally posted by washu

How much room do you have? 1U, 2U? more?. Given what you say about the position of the PS a side blower might work better if it will fit.

I'd still try the fan blowing the correct way, even if it is fighting the PS fan. Can't hurt to try.

yes, if i still had the shorter screws. i could try washers, but idk if that would work.

id have 2u+ of room. if i could find a side blower w/o making the piggy bank into bacon, id be in luck.

**gdement** · 11-09-2009, 11:11 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

Originally posted by ratdude747

issue #2... as some may recall, i once got an ati x800xl at a goodwill, never got it to run with this board... i thought it was the psu, but the change did nothing and it still did nothing. the hd booted as far as it did above. no vid. would the VIA chipset do it?

Did you test that card on anything else, or could it be dead?
If the card works then I'm not sure why you'd have a problem. I remember reading an article that measured the current draw on several video cards, and it showed that when ATI transitioned to the X--- cards, they became +12v oriented. But your PSU looks like it's designed to support that.

For a server, I'd use something low power and fanless. It'll be quieter, cooler, cheaper to run, and more reliable than a gaming card.

**ratdude747** · 11-09-2009, 11:38 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

i got it to post on some other machines. not any further, my psu was not enough. maybe the pci express to agp converter chip is confusing the chipset.

my other machines with agp;

compaq presario 7000- PIII copermine 800 (to be tualitin when my lin-lin adapter comes in)- not powerful enough to get an advantage from it, as i already have my second best card in it.

gateway select k7-700 -same issues as above but it has wrong agp voltage... 2x only

all my others have no agp.

**washu** · 11-10-2009, 08:11 AM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

Ok, you have enough room for most "standard" socket A heatsinks so put one on if you have it. Get rid of that low profile crap, you don't need it unless you really only have 1U of space. Yeah there will only be a few mm of space between the PS and the heatsink and they will be "fighting" but it's still going to be way better than the setup you have now. I had a Tbird 1400 in a case like yours and it worked with a normal heatsink, and that's hotter than your 2400+.

**Wizard** · 11-10-2009, 08:12 AM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

2400+ is around 68W. You have to put in GOOD heatsink, it is a requirement on these
old socket 462 cpu! You are killing the cpu at this temp.

When socket 462 cpus came along I had difficult time finding proper heatsink back then.

Cheers, Wizard

**dan86** · 11-10-2009, 11:00 AM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

Hi Guys,

Athlon xp's do run hot and they are known for it. Personally I would not have used one for a server but if thats all you've got then use it. If cooling is becoming an issue then get a bigger heatsink/fan. I have found laying the case on its side so the cpu heatsink/fan is facing upwards will improve cooling generally.

Daniel

**c_hegge** · 11-10-2009, 04:51 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

I had one that would run at about 60*C idling and 80*C under load. Config was:

Athlon XP 2400+ (T-bred core)
ASUS A7V600-X Motherboard
Deepcool Octopus CPU cooler with copper core and 80mm fan
530 Watt Codegen PSU with 120mm fan
6 x 80mm case fans (as wou can guess, the computer made LOTS of noise)

If I removed the side panels, the idling and load temps would drop to 50*C and 70*C respectively

**Wizard** · 11-10-2009, 05:15 PM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

Deepcool Octopus is the reason temps was not doing well. I had Alpha heatsink before that, a typical all aluminum with AS paste around 55C at full power with wide range temps in idle/loaded levels. Alpha reduced this range about 8C and kept full load lower (under 53C). This with fans spinning slow and quiet. My machines are usually 2 or 3 fans total in a machine; psu, one case fan; sometimes on, sometimes off and CPU.

The generic heatsinks that has a machined round hole and a machined round disc of copper pressed in only have good thermal contact along the edge. Intel's design of P4 with copper plug is longer and have better area for heat to transmit into aluminum fins. Copper plate glued or screwed to the heatsink is slightly above the all aluminum heatsink with 1/2 thick base. The best ones were micro forging of copper and aluminum.

Now good heatsinks heat pipe with copper base and thicker aluminum fins with wide spacing between fins performs very decent.

60C-80C will make heatsink scorching hot to the touch if that is true.

Cheers, Wizard

**dood** · 11-11-2009, 09:38 AM

Re: Athlon xp running hot...

Originally posted by c_hegge

If I removed the side panels, the idling and load temps would drop to 50*C and 70*C respectively

That means that all those fans you had were set up incorrectly. If you had proper flow, there should be no measurable difference between panel on and panel off.

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